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Levon Aronian vs Viswanathan Anand
Botvinnik Memorial Rapid (2011) (rapid), Moscow RUS, rd 2, Sep-02
Slav Defense: General (D10)  ·  0-1

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Sep-04-11  chillowack: If you put too many people on your ignore list, then eventually you must ask yourself whether you, and not they, are the problem.

I have no one on mine, but even so I recognize that I am the author of my own unhappiness, not anyone else.

Sep-04-11
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  perfidious: <chillowack: If you put too many people on your ignore list, then eventually you must ask yourself whether you, and not they, are the problem.>

While I quite agree, the type of insular paranoia displayed by at least two posters at CG does not lend itself to that sort of introspection, so this is unlikely to happen-what's far more probable is that these people surround themselves with acolytes who tell them, without end, that they're right and everyone out there is wrong.

Sep-04-11  DrMAL: <chillowack> No worries there (for me). IGNORE.
Sep-04-11
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  keypusher: A kibitzing search for posts in which drMal uses the term "IGNORE" returns 6 pages of results. Pretty impressive for a guy who has been posting for only a few months.
Sep-04-11  kia0708: :-)

<A kibitzing search for posts in which drMal uses the term "IGNORE" returns 6 pages of results. Pretty impressive for a guy who has been posting for only a few months.>

Sep-04-11
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  keypusher: Hmmm. A search for posts in which I use the term "idiot" also returns six pages of results. In my defense, (i) I've been posting for seven years and (ii) I occasionally apply the term to myself.
Sep-04-11  I play the Fred: <If you put too many people on your ignore list, then eventually you must ask yourself whether you, and not they, are the problem.>

Nope. No chance. <DrMAL> and <LIFE Master AJ> are towering geniuses here to bestow their wisdom and knowledge. The rest of us are a bunch of trolls, rightfully banished from their grace.

Sep-04-11
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  Check It Out: 9.a4 is not listed in the opening explorer or Shredder's book, so it must be rare.

9…Re8 supports the thematic e5 break.

11…b6 not sure why this move intrigues me. It's the standard fianchetto move and defends against white's a5 push.

13.Rfd1 I would not have thunk to put a rook on the d-file here, but now I see that it anticipates black's e5 push.

13…e5 black's key break. He gets an isolani but very active pieces. Keep an eye on the king's knight.

<15.Be1> the controversial move under discussion. Like others, I wouldn't know it was poor without Shredder.

The question is why is it bad? It looks like white needed to exchange knights on e5 first, not allowing black to exchange knights on f3. Anand takes immediate advantage with 15…Nxf3.

Here's an alternative, a sample Shredder line if white played 15.Nxe5:

15…Rxe5 16.Be1 Nd7 17.Bc2 Nc5 18Qd2 Qe7 19.a5 b5 20.Ne2 (0.00)


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To my eye this position looks dynamically balanced with the classic isolated queen's pawn battle.

By playing 15.Be1 first white allows 15...Nxf3 16.Qxf3 Qb8! slicing into white's king side and threatening d4. Aronian elects to trade queens with 17.Qf4 but then black's king's knight becomes the hero of the game, bouncing to d7,c5,b3 winning white's a-pawn. It's not done and moves c4, e3 camping itself in the heart of white's camp. It bounces around humorously for a while before bidding adieu on d4. Eventually anand's extra pawn on the queenside asserted itself with 44...a4 and 45...a3, a couple more moves were made, and Aronian resigned.

Knight of the king!

Sep-05-11
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  perfidious: <chillowack> Ya done good!

Now, poor wretch, what do you propose to do, having joined some of us other poor saps in iggy land?

<keypusher> That's rich-for mere months we have been graced by the presence of the latest prize ego, and he hurls bolts of iggy-lightning in every direction.

<I play the Fred: ....<DrMAL> and <LIFE Master AJ> are towering geniuses here to bestow their wisdom and knowledge. The rest of us are a bunch of trolls, rightfully banished from their grace.>

Ah, now here's someone who's cut to the heart of things-I couldn't have said it better.

We're lucky to exist in the same universe as such talent.

Sep-05-11  chillowack: Wow - put on the ignore list just for questioning it?

This man must be very insecure and ego-fragile, afraid of even the merest hint of dissent.

One wonders how he manages to function in the real world, where there's no "ignore" button to silence alternative views.

Sep-05-11  rilkefan: <This man must be very insecure and ego-fragile, afraid of even the merest hint of dissent.>

Or he doesn't have time for people who jump to self-serving conclusions, such as the above. Or he's messing with you. Or ...

Sep-05-11  I play the Fred: <Or he doesn't have time for people who jump to self-serving conclusions, such as the above. Or he's messing with you. Or ...>

No, it is just as <chillowack> put it.

Sep-05-11  rilkefan: <<IPTF>: No, it is just as <chillowack> put it.>

You make this claim based on what, takes one to know one? Because you're psychic? Sure you want to bet on the guy who came up with the following the other day?

<kia0708: So Magnus Carles playing White was defeated by the World Champion, Anand. I am a little disapointed with MC.>

<WiseWizard: Why? Anand is one if the strongest Black players of all time.>

<coolchess1: @kia0708 -- why are you so disappointed that Magnus lost to Anand with Black?. Anand defeated Carlsen more than half of the time in their overall score as Black. As stated by WiseWizard, tiger of madras is deadly with black.>

[handful of short posts skipped]

<<chillowack>: WizeWizard: technically Anand is a brown player, but my feeling is that this is the 21st century--high time for us to stop evaluating people based on skin color.>

Sep-05-11  I play the Fred: <You make this claim based on what, takes one to know one? Because you're psychic?>

I'm basing it on <DrMAL>'s history of posts. Take a look at his history of posts - when he's not posting some genuinely useful analysis, he is very often rude, with no tolerance for dissent.

<Sure you want to bet on the guy who came up with the following the other day?>

I would characterize that "brown player" post by <chillowack> as a bad joke and nothing more, but even if he was the King of Racists it wouldn't make him wrong about <DrMAL>. In any event I didn't form my judgment about <DrMAL> based on what <chillowack> said, though I do agree with what he said earlier on the page.

<rilkefan> I may be wrong, but I'm not wrong because I make a snap judgment or rely on the words of others. My concurrence with <chillowack> on this issue is not intended to be a whole-cloth endorsement of <chillowack>'s other posts. If you find my assessment of <DrMAL> to be inaccurate, I can respect that.

Sep-06-11  rilkefan: <<IPTF>: he is very often rude>

Ok, add "maybe he's a royal jerk" to my list. I figured that went without saying.

If you have any evidence of <must be very insecure and ego-fragile, afraid of even the merest hint of dissent>, I'll entertain it. Though I'm approaching a pox on all your houses territory. I find armchair psychoanalysis of people one is in disagreement with to be a great way to ruin the discourse.

Re <chillowack>, on the page in question he acknowledged failing to understand the original comment, or pretended to have so failed.

Sep-06-11  chillowack: Rilke, if you have an issue with something I said in another thread, the logical place to bring it up is in that thread, not a different one.

As I recall, in that thread you expressed relief ("or pretended to have so expressed"), though now you seem to be changing that view.

Regardless, it's completely irrelevant to the present discussion.

Sep-06-11  rilkefan: <though now you seem to be changing that view>

No, I wasn't sure at the time whether you had made a joke in horrible taste (<IPTF>'s reading above) or just said something painfully dumb. But I'm entirely willing to take you at your word that the latter was the case. I simply didn't want to tell <IPTF> that he had to do so - after all, I don't know you (I hope) and can't read your mind. Assuming one can psychoanalyze someone based on a few comments is, in most cases, painfully dumb. We often refer to this as "jumping to conclusions". Hence the cross-link was of clear relevance in several ways.

Sep-06-11  chillowack: Correction: IPTF did not say "a joke in horrible taste, he said "a bad joke and nothing more."

Also inaccurate is your twice-expressed assertion that I claimed not to have understood the meaning of "black" in the other thread. In reality (which I cordially invite you to join me in), I made no claim either way.

By my count, that's one misquote, two false statements, and two assumptions in just three posts. Is your logic always this airtight, or just when you're trying to cast aspersions on strangers?

I'll be happy to debate you in the other thread, if this issue is really so important to you; but again, in this thread it really serves only as a distraction.

Sep-06-11  rilkefan: "Correction [sic]: IPTF did not say [etc]"

Having read a half-dozen of your comments, none of which gives me confidence in your ability to follow an argument, as you would know from the above if, well ... - I cordially decline your offer.

Sep-06-11  DAVI DE RAFE: aronian lokachampionavandathayirunnu,kashtam!
Sep-12-11  jaseemalikt: As Kramnik mentioned in his interview
<if his knights start to jump around, particularly towards the king, then that’s that, it’s impossible to play against and they’ll just sweep away everything in their path. I noticed it’s better to get rid of them when you’re playing against him.> http://whychess.org/node/1605
Sep-21-11  WiseWizard: What is this g6 variation of the Slav called?
Sep-21-11
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  perfidious: <WiseWizard: What is this g6 variation of the Slav called?>

This is known as the Gruenfeld Slav.

Sep-22-11  WiseWizard: Thanks.
Dec-14-11  sicilianhugefun: This is so good.. Since the absence of Kasparov from the elite stage, Anand took the throne of being the King of piece play
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