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Jonny Hector vs Wesley So
Sigeman & Co (2011), Malmo SWE, rd 5, Jun-13
French Defense: Alekhine-Chatard Attack. Spielmann Variation (C13)  ·  0-1



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Jun-14-11  kingfu: Nina,

Sarcasm is my favorite food. Thank you.

Jun-14-11  Shams: <Nina> Neither Shredder nor I see a win after 26.Ne2. Can you improve on 26...Bd7 27.Nf4 Qb8 28.g5 Nf5 29.Qh7+ Kf8 30.Nxe6+ Bxe6 31.Rxf5+ Bxf5 32.Qh8+ Ke7 33.Qxg7+ Kd8 34.Qf6+ Kc7 35.Qd6+ Kc8 36.Qf8+ Kc7 =(+0.02) 16/51 Shredder 12
Jun-14-11  Nina Myers: <Shams> Try <26.Ne2 Bd7 27.g5 Nf5 28.Nd4> (or Ng3) <~>, with <29.Nxf5 exf5> followed by the pawn grabbing manouvre Qh7+/Qh8+/Qxg7+.

The problem with Shredder is probably to sharp cut-off the search tree. http://chessprogramming.wikispaces....

Jun-14-11  pulsar: I'm sure Hector would have found the winning line as pointed out by <NM> if he had an engine running.
Jun-14-11  YetiBlitz: Many thanks, Sastre.
Jun-14-11  butchix: hedgehog, Rybca analyzed this all the way down since the bishop sacrifice at g6 and the best that white could achieve is a draw..
Jun-14-11  Shams: <butchix> What do you mean by "all the way down"?
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  Everett: Seriously, everyone but a few are blindly sucking the silicon teat here.

Whatever the case, I'll expand on Bronstein's idea that <a chess game is not a "test of knowledge, but a battle of nerves,"> with the modern <"and not best computer play either.">

Jun-15-11  Shams: <Everett> Fair enough, but people claiming wins should give winning lines, not just double-exclam moves which they claim win. As for myself, I only turn on Shredder after I've embarrassed myself, which predictably didn't take long on this thread.
Jun-15-11  Everyone: <Everett: Seriously, everyone, but a few are blindly sucking the silicon teat here.>

I'm afraid I couldn't go along with that. There's a sucker born every minute.

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  Everett: <Shams> Apologies for the outburst, but variations without human concepts and words are annoying. I for one decrease in both analytical and playing strength when I go to the comp before analyzing myself. I admit I do similar to you. Nonetheless, I think the <manner> in which people kibitz about GM mistakes is particularly chafing. I mean, what's wrong with simply saying Hector missed a powerful continuation and leave it at that? Or better yet get into a human debate with ideas, not computer lines. Ahh, whatever. I'm a curmudgeonly luddite and I'm not even 40. I apologize if i offended you. Your method of looking at games makes sense. I only have Shredder on my iPhone and it's too cumbersome to input positions to use frequently. I simply blundercheck to make sure I haven't missed something big.

<everyone> Absolutely!

Jun-15-11  Shams: <Everett> You didn't offend me at all, I feel much the same and generally hate engine analysis.
Jun-16-11  harish22: I may be missing something here. But what was the defense to 22. Qh3 threatening Qh7 mate on next move
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  paulalbert: Qg5ch and then Qh6 stops it.
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  paulalbert: No, better even Qxg6.
Jun-16-11  NARC: I had problem looking at 22. Qh2 Nf5 23. Rxf5 exf5 24. Qh7+ Kf8 25. Qh8+ Ke7 26. Qxg7+ Ke6 27. Nb5
Jun-17-11  Ryan Razo: Greetings!

Indeed, Nina Myers, you're right, Señor Hector indeed had a winning attack. I had Deep Fritz 10 run on your lines (which is difficult to do if you don't probe deep enough):

22.♕g4! ♘f5 23.♕h5 ♘h6 24.g4 ♕e8 and now 25.♖f3!!

a: 25...♕c6

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26.g5 ♘f5 27.♘e2 ♕c4 <tries to prevent ♘d4, but to no avail> 28.♕h7+ ♔f8 29. ♘g3 ♕c5 30.♘xf5 exf5 31.♕h8+ ♔e7 32.♕xg7+ White has three passed pawns!)

b: 25...c6 26.♘e2! <The point is that White must use all his resources to the attack and win this game> (26.♖xf5? <leads to draw as I demonstrated earlier>) ♗d7 27.g5 ♘f5 28.♘d4 ♔f8 29.♘xf5 exf5 30.♕h8+ ♔e7 31.♕xg7+ ♔d8 32.♕f6+ ♔c7 33.♕d6+ ♔c8 34.♖h3 ♕d8 35.♔b1 <is curtains>

c: 25…♗d7 26.g5 ♕e7 27.gxh6 ♗e8 28.hxg7 ♕xg7 29.♖f6 b6 30.♘e2 <wins>

Jun-17-11  Ryan Razo: d: 25…♕d7 26.g5 ♘f5 27.♕h7+ ♔f8 28.♘e2! ♔e7
29.♘d4 ♔d8 30.♘xf5 exf5 31.♕h8+ ♕e8 31.♕h8+ ♕e8 32.♕xg7 ♕e7 33.♕g8+ ♔d7 34.♖xf5 <also wins>)

Now back to 23.Qh5, <I> found Black’s other reply:

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23…♕h4 <The idea is to exchange Queens, but why bother?> 24.♕h7+ ♕xh7 25.♖f8+! <Now the promotion cannot be stopped> ♔xf8 26.gxh7 ♔f7 27.h8=♕

I was wrong before, feel free to lambaste me anywhere in this site :)

Jun-18-11  NARC: I like Ryan Razo's promotion line.
Aug-17-11  iking: .... 31. Qh7 Kf2 0-1

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Nov-08-11  wordfunph: "Wesley So played a fantastic game against Jonny Hector to catch both me and Tikkanen in the standings. The game could have turned out differently, but well, what can you say, chess is cruel."

- GM Anish Giri

Nov-02-12  mike gambit: On 22nd by white why he didnt take king move to avoid Qg5 check then Qxg6... upon white king move Nf5 the RxNf5 then Queen will have threatening position in H squares Qh2 or Qh3 with sacking consequences
Feb-26-13  DiscoJew: "So what?"
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  perfidious: <Everett: ....I'll expand on Bronstein's idea that a chess game is not a "test of knowledge, but a battle of nerves,"> with the modern <"and not best computer play either.">

To some engine acolytes, Bronstein was doubtless a dinosaur.

<....variations without human concepts and words are annoying.... ....Nonetheless, I think the <manner> in which people kibitz about GM mistakes is particularly chafing.....>

Quite true; having such lines without explanation forced down one's throat is rather like a parent telling a child, 'Because I said so!'; moreover, an aspiring player will find it harder to learn without such prose accompanying the analysis.

It should be noted that the stronger players here who use engines do not criticise the play of top GMs in this fashion; I commend <Eyal> and <FSR> amongst others for the way they go about things.

Jul-16-14  Xeroxx: The king runs.
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