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Jose Raul Capablanca vs John Carson Rather
"Rather Not" (game of the day Oct-14-2011)
Simul, 32b (1936) (exhibition), Marshall CC, New York, NY USA, Dec-14
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1-0



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Nov-17-11  Lambda: <Capa's second move has me scratching my head 2 Ne2---huh?>

Presumably, it's to leave the f-pawn free to advance.

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  scormus: <sevenseaman <CG> could easily & fairly have interchanged today's puzzle with the one they put out yesterday. What dya say?>

Certainly! A <rather> clear cut winning line today.

I think 17 Qg5+ is the only move that wins immediately. 17 Qh6 doesnt seem to work but I wondered about 17 dxe4 dxe4 18 Qg5+ Kh8. Then 19 Nxe4 which wins in different ways if any of 19 ... Qe5 or ... Rg8 or ... Nex4. But B can play on for a while after the quiet defense 17 ... Rh8

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  chrisowen: Ar tis o went forth in a sac h7, bh3 is my kind combination pity Rather g5 use stealth in picking mix h8 nxd5 bombing it down the flan him.
Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: For those not familiar with theory ... ... ...

2.Ne2 (or even 2.Nc3 and 3.Nge2) is a signal of a closed Sicilian ... or possibly something more devious.

See Soltis vs A J Goldsby, 1981.

The night before this game, I studied Dragon lines for hours, only to have GM Soltis, (who - at the time - was probably one of the 10-15 best players in the whole country); play something I had never seen before. (Which was true, back then. And there is a moral in here ... somewhere ...)

Today, I have used this system a few times myself ...

Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: <<Nov-17-11 morfishine: I'd have to conclude that Mr. Rather was a weak player. There is one other game in the database [by him]. 10-years after his loss to Capa, he loses in 10-moves from the White-side of a KGA: Rather vs G Gresser, 1946>>

I'd rather not say this, but I thought we were talking about Dan Rather, the TV news anchor. (hee-hee) Of course, he would rather do the evening broadcast than play chess. ;p

Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: Where is <Once> when you need him?

I am sure he could come up with something better than my trite comment ... but maybe ... he'd rather not.

Nov-17-11  SlevinKelevra: Hey I don't know if this is original or not, but I just thought of this puzzle:

If every pawn had the power of the Queen from the start of the game, and all other pieces and rules remained the same, which side would have a guaranteed winning strategy? Or would both players draw if they played perfectly?

Nov-17-11  Nemesistic: <SlevinKelevra> Sounds more like some Checkers-hybrid game to me! Have you ever read up on the Origins of chess that started in India around 500 BC ? The rule's are bizarre,but interesting..
Nov-17-11  MaxxLange: Ah, the dreaded Formation: King's Indian Attack!

Returning a pawn with 16...e3 would have broken up this nice combination, because, after that, an eventual ...Qxd5 would be check

Nov-17-11  David2009: Rather lost rather quickly after 13...Bxg2. He had to hand his booty back with 13...cxd4 14.Bxh3 dxc3 15.Qxc3 e6. But which of us wouldn't have tried the same thing? Not a bad game to lose - he went down to an attractive combination. Earlier, perhaps 9...Re8 holding on to the B was better than 9...a6.
Nov-17-11  BOSTER: Really black was first in this game to begin the combinative game playing 10...Nd4 and 12...Bxh3 , and white was forced to play 13.Nxd4.

Maybe playing 13... Bxg2 black still visualized the black bishop on c8-h3 diagonal.

I don't think that black could afford the move 14. Nf5+, destroying the all black position.

Even after this if black was not so greedy, he could play h6 and Rh8, but after fxe4, and d5 the fighting began not against pos.,but against human's nature.

Nov-17-11  sevenseaman: Hi <David> Where you been? Your avatar shows a chessboard but the man behind looks as though he is poised to conjure up an abracadabra. Welcome.
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  Phony Benoni: <sevenseaman> Tis' the season to become acquainted with The Turk (Automaton).
Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: Black looked like his opening was fine. Just maybe got too greedy ...
Nov-17-11  sevenseaman: <PB> Incredible! So basically The Turk(Automaton) was a grandmaster hidden in the innards of a machine. Now who could it be? It had to be some very good contemporary chess master.

It took a Cochrane to defeat it. Presumably it was in a public show where defeat for the magician is simply unacceptable.

Could Cochrane have had a connection with the putative mechanical contraption and its feats?

Good choice of an avatar <David>. The revelations have taken a smirk off my face!

Many thanks <PB>; you are a treasure on this site, pardon my brashness!

Nov-18-11  morfishine: <Phony Benoni> Nice Avatar!

<sevenseaman> I think Pillsbury was the "Turk" at least for awhile

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  Phony Benoni: <morfishine> The Turk was destroyed before Pillsbury's time. His machine was Ajeeb (Automaton).
Nov-18-11  David2009: <sevenseaman: Hi <David> Where you been?> Trips, a calculation; playing real chess. The calculation: drop an aluminium-alloy sphere heated to 560 degrees C into water: calculate the plastic residual stresses. I have spent far too long on this and meanwhile the experiment is due in December. There will not be any plastic flow (if everything remainss elastic): it all depends on the heat transfer. Plastic flow is certainly predicted if it is assumed that the surface drops as if by magic to a uniform 100 deg C on entry. But the steam formed can act as a partial insulater (Leidenfrost effect), and with other assumptions no plastic flow is predicted. In short, the predictions depends on what heat transfer assumptions are made.

Real chess: White (me) to play and lose:

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(Rapide de Montbron 2011). Seven games; four blunders (one blunder unpunished) so 4/7. I played 13.Bg5??.

Nov-20-11  morfishine: <Phony Benoni> Thanks, wrong Automaton!

<David2009> Interesting experiment! Reminds me of something I read concerning frying chicken: If the temperature of the oil is kept above 375C degrees, no oil will absorbed into the flour/breading on the chicken. I'm not kidding. A woman fried 40 whole chickens at 400C in the same oil. She measured the volume of oil before and after and found 99.8% was retained in the frying pan. She then fried 40-chickens at 350C and again measured the before/after volume of the oil and found 7% of the oil had been lost or absorbed into the flour/breading of the chickens.

Conclusion: Fried Chicken is not so bad for your health as long as its fried at a high enough temperature. Of course, this doesn't account for skinless chicken which is best of all.

Mar-25-14  SpiritedReposte: Capa's last two moves are magic!
Jan-09-16  TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in New York, New York on December 14, 1936.

Capablanca scored +28=3-1.

Source is <The Corzo Legacy>.

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  stoy: Is 20 Qxd5 correct? Rh1+ seems better.
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  sleepyirv: <stoy> 20.Qxd5 is almost certainly not right. Black may have played 19...Nxh7 in which case, Qxd5 would be the logical reply.
Jan-10-16  morfishine: <stoy> The score is wrong and if I'm not mistaken it somehow mysteriously changed over the past 5 years
Jan-10-16  TheFocus: The move made was 19...Nxh7, not 19...Kxj7.
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