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Jacques Mieses vs Julius Finn
Match series (1903), Manhattan CC, New York, NY USA, Nov-05
Danish Gambit: General (C21)  ·  1-0



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Jan-08-14  M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy"
White to play 16.?
White is down by a Bishop+ 2pawns

16.Rxe5 dxe5
Queen on e5 attacks Rook on h8, pawn on f7 and pins the Bishop

18.Nxf7+ Kf8
19.Ne6+(and fork) Kg8
20.Rxd8+ Rxd8
21.Qc7! Re8
22.Qd7 Kf7
23.Nc7 b4
24.Nxe8 Rxe8
White is now ahead in materials.

Jan-08-14  diagonalley: i was seduced by the inferior 17. N-B6+ ... which doesn't work well enough.darn.
Jan-08-14  Amadori: "easy"

16.Rxe5 dxe5
17.Qxe5 (threatening Qxh8 Rg8 (or f6, it doesn't matter) 18.Nf6+ (or Nxf6+) Kf8 (Kf7 is possible if ..f6 was played)

those are the only options since the bishop is pinned

19.Rxd8 and white wins Q,N,and 2P for 2R

Jan-08-14  crabgrass: Is 17. Nf6+ effective or does it have flaws?
Jan-08-14  mel gibson: Today's puzzle is not fair - I was looking
at a mate in 5 or something like that.

My computer didn't have black mated until move 60!

Jan-08-14  morfishine: White is down a piece, but his superior development and control of space or vital squares give him a decisive advantage. In essence, since Black's Queen rook is passive and his King rook is exposed and also "not playing", White has an extra piece at the point of attack (Q+2R+N vs Q+B+N)

<16.Rxe5> (Trading down at the point of attack ie: the center files)

<16...dxe5 17.Qxe5> double-threat 18.Qxh8+ and 18.Nf6+ winning material)

<17...Rg8> If 17...Rf8??? then 18.Nf6#

<18.Nf6+ Kf8 19.Rxd8+ Rxd8 20.Nxg8> (White has an easy win after 20...Kxg8 21.Qxe7)

PM: I missed 17...f6 which is more stubborn than 17...Rg8


Jan-08-14  gofer: The first move is easy enough. But the second less so.

<16 Rxe5 ...>

16 ... O-O
17 Nxe7+ mating

16 ... Kf8/Qd7/Qc8
17 Rxe7+ mating

<16 ... dxe5>

Now for the tricky bit.

Softly, softly catchee monkey.

<17 Qxe5 ...>

17 ... Kf8
18 Qxh8#

17 ... Ke7
18 Nxe7+ Ke8
19 Nc8+ mating

17 ... Qd7
18 Nf6+ mating

17 ... Rf8
18 Nf6#

17 ... Rg8
18 Nf6+ Kf8
19 Rxd8 Rxd8 (Bxd8 Nxh7/Nd7#)
20 Nxh7+ Ke8
21 Nf6+ Kf8
22 Nxg8

<17 ... f6>
<18 Nxc7+ ...>

18 ... Qxc7+?
19 Qxc7

18 ... Kf8
19 Ne6+

<18 ... Kf7>
<19 Qe6+ Kf8>
<20 Rxd8+ Rxd8>
<21 Nd5>


Okay, I think I can give my self some credit for seeing the first 4 moves, but I missed the following 16 moves...

Jan-08-14  gofer: I think, in hindsight, you would have to see the continuation all the way to <22 Qc4> to claim that you got this one.

The discovered check is the key to the main continuation... ...pity I missed it.

Jan-08-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: I'm only getting to a small advantage for White.

The obvious try doesn't really work:
16 Rxe5 de
17 Nf6+ Kf8
18 Rxd8+ Rxd8 (or Bxd8)
19 Nxh7+ K moves
20 Nxg5 Bxg5 (easiest way to stop the mate threat)
21 Qxg5

leaves material pretty even, and White without an obvious win, even though a Black Rxh2 is likely to lose to a queen fork.

Better seems:

16 Rxe5 de
17 Qxe5, leaving Black temporarily up a rook and pawn, but with problems.

17 ... Rf8?? allows immediate mate, as does 17 ... Kf8??

17 ... Rg1
18 Nf6+ Kf8
19 Rxd8+ Bxd8
20 Nxg8 Kxg8
21 Qd5 looks good for White from a material standpoint.

17 ... f6
18 Nxf6+ Kf1 (or Kf2)
19 Rxd8 and
20 Nxh7+ is like the other line, but with another pawn for White, and more of an attack (the queen check at g6 could come into play).

17 ... Kd7
18 Qf5+ Ke8 also transposes into the other line with an additional pawn for White. But it looks better for White than 18 Nf6+ Kc8.

Jan-08-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: So what I missed is that the Q at e5 protects c7. Oh well.
Jan-08-14  rczcarvalho: 32. Qa6+!
Jan-08-14  rczcarvalho: 32. Qa6+ not good 32. Bf6+
Jan-08-14  zb2cr: Found the first 3 moves, but really, can we call a puzzle where White doesn't reach a material superiority until 10 moves later "easy"?
Jan-08-14  eblunt: What happens after 17.... 0-0 ? I didn't see a winning line there
Jan-08-14  Karpova: <eblunt>

After 17...0-0 18.Nxe7+ forces 18...Qxe7 as the ♔ can't move.

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  Penguincw: I got up to 16...fxe5. I was thinking of 17. Nf6+, but after 17...Bxf6 18.Rxd8+ Rxd8 19.Qxf6, black is still pretty much alive having 2 rooks for a queen.
Jan-08-14  eblunt: <Karpova> yes of course, I forgot the King wasn't protecting the Bishop any more after 0-0
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  agb2002: White is a bishop and two pawns down.

The black king still remains in the center and White can take advantage of this with 16.Rxe5:

A) 16... dxe5 17.Qxe5

A.1) 17... Rf8 18.Nf6#.

A.2) 17... Rg8 18.Nf6+ Kf8 19.Rxd8+ Rxd8 (19... Bxd8 20.Nxh7#) 20.Nxg8 Kxg8 21.Qxe7 + - [Q vs R+P].

A.3) 17... O-O 18.Nxe7+ Qxe7 19.Qxe7 + - [Q vs R+P].

A.4) 17... f6 18.Nxf6+

A.4.a) 18... Kf8 19.Rxd8+

A.4.a.i) 19... Rxd8 20.Nd7+ Rxd7 (20... Kg8 21.Qe6+ Kg7 22.Qxe7+ + - [Q+N vs 2R]) 21.Qxh8+ Kf7 22.Qxh7+ + - [Q+P vs R+B].

A.4.a.ii) 19... Bxd8 20.Qe8+ Kg7 21.Nh5+ Kh6 22.Qxh8 + - [Q+N vs R+B] (22... Kxh5 23.Qxh7#; 22... g4 23.f4).

A.4.b) 18... Kf7 19.Rxd8

A.4.b.i) 19... Bxf6 20.Rd7+ Kg6 21.Qe4+ Kh6 (21... Kh5 22.Rxh7+ Rxh7 23.Qxh7#) 22.f4 + - [Q vs R+B] and attack.

A.4.b.ii) 19... Rhxd8 20.Nd5 and White's position looks preferable due to the exposed king and the lack of coordination of the black pieces.

A.5) 17... f6 18.Nxc7+

A.5.a) 18... Kf7 19.Qe6+ Kf8 (19... Kg7(g6) 20.Rxd8 followed by Qxe7 or Nxa8) 20.Rxd8+ Rxd8 (20... Bxd8 21.Nxa8) 21.Nd5 looks winning.

A.5.b) 18... Kf8 19.Rxd8+ Rxd8 (19... Bxd8 20.Qe8+ Kg7 21.Ne6+ Kh6 22.Qxh8) 20.Ne6+ Ke8 (20... Kf7 21.Nxd8+; 20... Kg8 21.Qc7 Re8 22.Qc4 threatening 23.Nd7+ and 23.Nxg5+) 21.Qb5+ Rd7 and Black seems to hold.

B) 16... Qd7 17.Rxe7+ Qxe7 18.Nxe7 Kxe7 19.Re1+, etc.

C) 16... Qc8 17.Rxe7+ Kd8 (17... Kf8 18.Qxf7#) 18.Qf6, etc.

Jan-08-14  Nick46: <zb2cr: Found the first 3 moves, but really, can we call a puzzle where White doesn't reach a material superiority until 10 moves later "easy"?> A not easy to answer rhetorical question.
Jan-08-14  Amadori: <can we call a puzzle where White doesn't reach a material superiority until 10 moves later "easy"?>

18.Nf6+ achieves the same result in 4 moves, except white takes the F or H pawn instead of the C pawn.

Jan-08-14  WoodPushkin: Greetings

White has a pin, an x-ray and a hanging piece to exploit with...


Really like the precision of Whites moves.

Analysis Calculation Execution: STUDY!!

Yes Love

Jan-08-14  PJs Studio: Offramp called it! Funny dude. Very.
Jan-08-14  jancotianno: If only black had fallen into the smothered mate with 17...Kd7 18. Nf6+ Kc8 19. Qf5+ Kb8 20. Rxd8+ Rxd8 21. Nd7+ Kc8 22. Nb6+ Kb8 23. Qc8+ Rxc8 24. Nd7#. Not all forced of course but it would have been great to see.
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  thegoodanarchist: It was time to resign after 27.Qxb5. This guy was delusional to play on...
Jan-08-14  RandomVisitor: I agree with chrisowen that 13...Rf8 was better.
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