Nov-06-10 | | luzhin: Shirov's play here is so reminiscent of compatriot Tal in his 1960s hayday: especially 14.d5!! |
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Nov-06-10 | | john2629: Shirov plays like a reigning WChampion these days. |
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Nov-07-10 | | lefthandsketch: Does the plan involving Ne5 and g4 amount to a theoretical crisis for the 3...Qd6 system that Tiviakov so loves? Analysis anyone? |
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Nov-08-10
 | | Eric Schiller: Nothing really new here. Question is, why didn't Tiviakov repeat the plan from their 2008 Benidorm game with 8...Be6@!? 9.Bg2 g6 as White had nothing special after 10.0-0 Bg7 11.f5 gxf5 12.gxf5 Bc4. |
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Nov-08-10
 | | Eric Schiller: It isn't in CG database somehow. Here it is with big improvement for Black: [Event "It 'Stars'"]
[Site "Benidorm (Spain)"]
[Date "2008.12.7"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Shirov Alexei (ESP)"]
[Black "Tiviakov Sergei (NED)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B01"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Ne5 Nbd7 7.f4
Nb6 8.g4 Be6 9.Bg2 g6 10.O-O Bg7 11.f5 gxf5 12.gxf5 Bc4 13.Nxc4
Nxc4 14.Qd3 Ng4 15.Rf4 Nxb2 16.Qg3 Bxd4+ 17.Kh1 Nf2+ ?
( 17...Bxc3 ! 18.Qxc3 Qd1+ 19.Bf1 Ne3 with a big advantage for black!
) 18.Rxf2 Qxg3 19.hxg3 Bxc3 20.Rb1 Nc4 21.Rxb7 Na5 22.Rc7 Rd8
23.Rxa7 Rd7 24.Ra8+ Rd8 25.Rxd8+ Kxd8 26.Rf3 Be5 27.Ra3 Nc4 28.Ra7
Nd6 29.Bxc6 Nxf5 30.g4 Nd4 31.Ba4 h5 32.g5 Ne2 33.Rd7+ Kc8 34.Rxe7
Ng3+ 35.Kg2 Bc7 36.Rxc7+ Kxc7 37.Kxg3 h4+ 38.Kh3 Kd6 39.Bb3 Ke7
40.Bb2 1-0 |
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Nov-08-10 | | Eyal: A nice and more forcing finish, completing the motif of play on the b-file, would be <26.Rb2!> Qxb2 27.Qxc7+ Ke8 28.Bf1! (preparing Bf6 - 28.Bf6?? Qc1+ and Black gets a perpetual) and Black is helpless (28...Qc3 29.Qb8+ and mate); or 26...Qc8 27.Bf6+ Ke8 28.Qxa7 Na6 (otherwise Rb8) 29.Rb7 with the lethal threat of 30.Rxd7! Qxd7 31.Qa8+. |
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Nov-08-10 | | ReikiMaster: One case of demoralizing helplessness is 26.Be4 Rf8 27.Rf3 a6 28.Qb6 Qxb6 29.cxb6. If black saves the Knight, white promotes the pawn. |
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Nov-22-10 | | notyetagm: What an ass-beating. |
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Nov-25-10 | | alexrawlings: Hi <Eric Schiller>, when I put your improvement line through my fritz package it comes up with <18.. Qd1+ 19 Rf1> which seems better for white. A possible continuation would be <19.. 0-0-0 20 Bxb2 Qd6 21 Qg3 Rhg8 22 Qxd6 Rxd6> and White has two bishops v a knight but Black is up two pawns. Fritz gives a +1.80 advantage for White here. |
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Feb-28-11 | | Sorcerer88: 13.c5 is a clear mistake, there's nothing wrong with 13..Qxd4! 14. Ba5 De4+ 15. Qe2 (15.Kf2 Nc5) Qxe2+. i'm surprised Tiviakov didn't see that and fell for Shirov's aggressive, slightly Tal-like play.
Both players were a bit inaccurate in the opening (8...Nbd5?! (..g6!?), 10.g5?) and I think there's nothing wrong with the Qd6 scandinavian, other than that it's a bit passive and hard to win with, unless you play risky Bg4 Nc6 0-0-0 lines (which are fun) or white handles it incorrectly. |
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Feb-28-11 | | nummerzwei: <Sorcerer88 13.c5 is a clear mistake, there's nothing wrong with 13..Qxd4! 14. Ba5 De4+ 15. Qe2 (15.Kf2 Nc5) Qxe2+. i'm surprised Tiviakov didn't see that and fell for Shirov's aggressive, slightly Tal-like play. Both players were a bit inaccurate in the opening (8...Nbd5?! (..g6!?), 10.g5?) and I think there's nothing wrong with the Qd6 scandinavian, other than that it's a bit passive and hard to win with, unless you play risky Bg4 Nc6 0-0-0 lines (which are fun) or white handles it incorrectly.> A brilliant comment. But what game does it refer to? Surely not this one. After all: 13...Qxd4?? 14.Ba5 (illegal move)[14.Qxd4!] ...Qe4+ which, in any event, is covered by the Bg2. So it is not at all surprising that Tiviakov failed to see this variation. |
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Feb-28-11 | | gothenburg: alexrawlings: Hi <Eric Schiller>, when I put your improvement line through my fritz package it comes up with <18.. Qd1+ 19 Rf1> which seems better for white. A possible continuation would be <19.. 0-0-0 20 Bxb2 Qd6 21 Qg3 Rhg8 22 Qxd6 Rxd6> and White has two bishops v a knight but Black is up two pawns. Fritz gives a +1.80 advantage for White here. Hi All. 17...Bxc3! 18.Qxc3 Rg8 (not Qd1+ yet)19.Qxb2 Qd1+ now!, then if 20.Rf1 Qxf1+ is nice. That leaves 20.Bf1 Black can now draw by perp. with 20...Qd5+, but 20...Ne3! when Black looks good to me. |
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Jul-18-11 | | DrMAL: <nummerzwei> You have a point there LOL. I thought 11...Nd7 would be better and it seems so:
Houdini_15a_x64: 26/65 38:54 8,495,732,790
-0.04 11. ... Nd7 12.a4 Nxe5 13.fxe5 Qc7
-0.30 11. ... Nd5 12.c4 Nc7 13.0-0 Bg7
15...e6 appeared poor and engines confirm this:
Houdini_15a_x64: 23/84 49:32 11,329,531,845
-0.54 15. ... Bg7 16.cxd5 0-0 17.0-0 Bf5
-0.59 15. ... Ne6 16.c6 b6 17.0-0 Bg7
-0.72 15. ... h6 16.cxd5 hxg5 17.Qa4+ Bd7
-0.85 15. ... Bf5 16.Qa4+ Bd7 17.Nxd7 Qxd7
-0.88 15. ... f6 16.Qa4+ Bd7 17.Nxd7 Qxd7
-0.89 15. ... Rb8 16.Bb2 Bg7 17.Qa4+ Kf8
-1.14 15. ... e6 16.Bb2 Bg7 17.Nc6 bxc6
Other mistakes such 19...Bd7 added up for Shirov who played very accurately, excellent game for him! |
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Jul-18-11 | | sevenseaman: Black K and Q both defending a N is more than just a bit ludicrous. 17. Nc6 is very creative and Alexey follows that eclat up with a number of brilliant moves. That kind of play was his wont a few years ago. |
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Oct-22-11 | | Rook e2: Tiviakov now won the open group. Some players have tried the scandinavian against Tivi but failed to win.. Well this is how they should have played :) |
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Jan-09-19 | | paavoh: "Shirov Melts Defense" |
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Jan-09-19 | | John Abraham: always fire on the board! |
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Jan-10-19 | | gokusano: Very aggressive play by Shirov. |
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