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Oct-20-10 | | goodevans: <24 exd6 Qf8> also seems to lead to a draw. |
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Oct-21-10 | | jeffnool: after 24...Qf8 how will white gonna draw? |
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Nov-19-13 | | lioric: 23...Nd6 is featured as an invisible resource in the hess Book Invisible Chess Moves. I recommend it. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | sleepyirv: Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool move. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | Richard Taylor: Yes, great defence by McShane, including Nc6. Dynamic play. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | Richard Taylor: I mean 23. ... Nd6 |
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Dec-23-13
 | | Richard Taylor: 27. ... Qd4! is a nice move also. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | FSR: A lot of cool moves: 23...Nd6!!, 27...Qd4!, 28...Qxe5! |
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Dec-23-13 | | morfishine: <24.Nxd6???> "Lemmer's Lemon" ***** |
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Dec-23-13 | | johnlspouge: < <morfishine> wrote: <24.Nxd6???> "Lemmer's Lemon" > Toga chooses 24.Nxd6 as best. 22.Rxf7 seems the losing move. |
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Dec-23-13 | | kevin86: Black is up tons of material and white has no further play-so resigns. |
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Dec-23-13 | | goodevans: <Oct-20-10 goodevans: <24 exd6 Qf8> also seems to lead to a draw. Oct-21-10 jeffnool: after 24...Qf8 how will white gonna draw?> I've been struggling for over half an hour to work out what I was thinking of three years ago. I do wish I'd been a bit clearer back then. A line that might have been what I had in mind is <24.exd6 Qf8 25.Nc7 Rd8 26.Qe6 Kg7 27.Qe5+> followed either by repetition or perpetual. No doubt, though, since <Toga chooses 24.Nxd6 as best>, black must have something better than this against <24.exd6>. |
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Dec-23-13 | | AvidChessMan: Why not 8.cxe4? By 10. ...dxc3 white loses control of the center, which leads to the pesky passed pawn at 20. ...cxb2. |
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Dec-23-13 | | Moszkowski012273: With the incorrect 24.exd6 black has time for the easily winning 24...Qe8 |
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Dec-23-13 | | goodevans: <Moszkowski012273: With the incorrect 24.exd6 black has time for the easily winning 24...Qe8> I don't think anything in this position is terribly easy. One example: <24.exd6 Qe8 25.Nc7 Qe3+ 26.Kh1 Raf8 27.d7 Qc1 28.Qxf7+ Rxf7 29.d8=Q+ Kg7 30.Ne6+ Kh6 31.Qh4++>. Three years ago I published a claim without backing it up with analysis, which I now regret. Perhaps you'd be so good as to show us why 24...Qe8 wins. |
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Dec-23-13 | | Moszkowski012273: 1--24.exd6,Qe8 25.Nc7,Qe3+ 26.Kh1,Qf2 is crushing. 2-- 24.exd6,Qe8 25.Nc7,Qe3+ 26.Kh1,Raf8 27.d7,Qd3 is mating. |
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Dec-23-13 | | Gilmoy: That Alapin/Danish pawn, standing around with his hands in his pockets, whistling ... When GM Houston's men overheard Black's heavy pieces addressing the Pb2 as "el Presidente", they began to suspect. Later, when Bonaparte detoured from his path and greeted this pawn with effusive joy, yet children around the world said <who's that guy next to the pawn?>, we wondered. Finally, near the climax of the trilogy, where evil Darth Sidious has bound the hero hand and foot, explained his grandiose master plan (and the blue button that, when pressed, cancels it), and engaged the wicked mechanism that will lead to the hero's slow death, he cries "Wait!", and places a call to this pawn for a <strategic consultation>. "Must get permission first", he shrugs. And ... he is put <on hold>. "So be it", he whispers, "it's the default mechanism for you." (soon thereafter, Darth's head, unencumbered by the rest of him, unerringly impacts the blue button, and the hero cries "goooooool") |
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Dec-23-13 | | morfishine: <johnlspouge> I was referring to the post by goodevans that stated 24.exd6 draws: O Lemmers vs McShane, 2010 ***** |
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Dec-23-13 | | Moszkowski012273: 24.exd6 most assuredly does NOT draw. |
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Dec-24-13
 | | FSR: Houdini 3 says that after the normal 22.Nc3 White would have only been slightly worse (-0.4). The attractive 22.Rxf7?? was a blunder because of 23...Nd6!! (box), which gives Black a winning advantage (north of -5) in all lines. 24.Nxd6, though completely losing, is White's best. 24.exd6 Qe8 is even worse for White, for example 25.Nc7 (25.d7 is met the same way) Qe3+ 26.Kh1 Qf4! and White can resign. |
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Dec-24-13 | | morfishine: Thanks <Moszkowski012273> & <FSR> for clearing that up; I should've taken a little time and looked deeper into the position ***** |
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Dec-25-13
 | | FSR: <morfishine> It's easy to be a great analyst with Houdini at one's side. :-) |
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Dec-26-13 | | Moszkowski012273: True true... |
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Mar-20-21 | | SpiritedReposte: A nice saving combo starting with <23. ...Nd6!> I can imagine White's disbelief as he pondered that one. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | perfidious: Black's 23rd move must have come as a most terrible shock. |
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