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 | | OhioChessFan: <KingG: By the way, there was no need for Black to resign in the final position. There is no doubt he is much worse, but he can continue with 18...Qc7 19.Qxg7 Rf8 20.Rd2 Nc8 21.Rhd1 Nb6, followed by maybe putting the knight on d5(and from there sometime on e3), the king on e7, and the rook on c8. White is better, but Black can fight, and the game hardly wins itself.> That's the line I came up with also. Instead of an eventual Rc8, Black could also try f6 and Rf7. Anyway, I sure don't think Black had any need to resign. After 21...Nb6
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <galdur> Seriously, he's listed Eric Jonsson as the black player with a rating of 2300. Mr. Jonsson apparently wasn't some completely unknown club player, yet the only person who fits this bill was dead at the time. If this isn't a "special reason" to suspect some faulty facts, then please tell me what that means. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: <Robed.Bishop>
Yeah, I know. Life Master plays Dead Guy? Could be a case of mistaken identity though. Jonsson is an extremely common surname in Iceland. Maybe Mr. Goldsby could disclose the age and nationality of this player. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: I suspect that black was one Eiríkur (the Icelandic version of the name Eric) Jónsson which was an unknown club player in 1980 at age 20 or so and has remained an obscure chess player to this day. No way that he has reached 2300 during his lifetime, maybe 1800-2000 at best. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <galdur> Certainly a correction needs to be made and perhaps you are right about his identity. All we can say at this point is that the man's identity is in doubt and has been for some time, yet no further information has been forthcoming to in any way help identify him. What conclusions can we draw from this last fact? |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: <Robed.Bishop>
It is in doubt and should be cleared up I totally agree. Theoretically this would have been an important game in 1980, even between obscure players, but you can only find it here. This is a certain concern. Maybe I´m wrong, which wouldn´t be a first, maybe it´s a post-mortem construct like so many alleged brilliancies of chess history. The onus is on Mr. Goldsby to explain. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <galdur> I agree. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: Most of the time I use the main stream as counter-indicator, which usually works well and which is why I took the side of LMAJ against the hordes bullying him. However, I must always be alert to the possibility of the exception that proves the rule. If I´m wrong that´s that and I must move on to other arguments. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | King Death: <galdur: ...Maybe...it´s a post-mortem construct like so many alleged brilliancies of chess history. The onus is on Mr. Goldsby to explain.> The Florida Fischer doesn't waste his time explaining brilliant games like this one to us patzers. We could never come anywhere near understanding the awesome vista of his play you know. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <galdur> I don't doubt your "usual" method, but in this case your error was in identifying "the bullies" as the horde. Few bully him, fewer support him, and the vast majority ignore him. Within the group that ignore him, some have opinions which remain unspoken, and some say they don't care. Of the unspoken group, some might be for, against, or neutral in unknown numbers. Following your typical course, then, would be to avoid following the majority, which in this case would be the unspoken masses. That then leaves you with three choices - for him, against him, or outspoken neutral. Identifying the problem correctly is the first step to solving the problem. Given that you and I now agree on AJ's opponent's identification and rating issue, there is no problem. This in turn gives us another sub-group that was previously unimportant - those that switch groups. Of course, everyone is free to switch at any time, and having switched once, are free to switch again. These people are the most interesting to note from a theoretical standpoint. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Everyone: <Robed.Bishop> What's in it for <Everyone>? |
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| Dec-29-11 | | King Death: Damn, <Everyone> wants <Everything>! A special guy! |
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| Dec-29-11 | | TheFocus: Plus, he wants it <Everywhere>! |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <Everyone> Well it depends on what you want. If it is the journey that you enjoy, then you want continued disagreement. If it's peace and quiet you want, then you want to remove the cause of the disagreement. This, then, becomes the "thing" that needs to be identified correctly. When do <AJ> problems occur? They occur following AJ's postings and within his games. What happens when The Troop loses a "member"? New ones appear, not by recruiting but spontaneously, typically in response to an AJ post. The Troop, therefore, cannot easily be eliminated. How to resolve the problem? Removing most of AJ's games will solve most of it, and whatever remains should be manageable. If it isn't, remove more. Still unresolved? Remove AJ. So, what's in it for <Everyone>? It depends on what <Everyone> wants. So you tell me, what does <Everyone> want? Does <Everyone> want <Everything>? I'm okay with that. There's no rule that says what you want has to be reasonable. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: <Robed.Bishop>
Yeah yeah, I succumb to reason as I eventually must. There´s no need to rub it in. It´s a fairly dubious case that I supported and I admit it. |
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Dec-29-11
 | | FSR: <<OhioChessFan: <KingG: By the way, there was no need for Black to resign in the final position. There is no doubt he is much worse, ... White is better, but Black can fight, and the game hardly wins itself.> That's the line I came up with also. Instead of an eventual Rc8, Black could also try f6 and Rf7. Anyway, I sure don't think Black had any need to resign.> Agreed. Black is very likely to lose eventually, but can (and most players would) fight on. Based on what galdur said, apparently Black scored 1/6 in six games where he played on from the final position of this game - about what I would expect. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: <galdur> I'm sorry if my tone misrepresented my message. It was not my intent to rub it in or poke fun at you. It was merely a chance to lay out a few details. I apologize if I did so at your expense. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: This punching bag seems about done so what say you make yours truly the new one? Sadly I have only two bland KG games in the database here, under two different names, so that´s not very controversial but I have ready-made and optionally conspiratorial opinions about most everything else. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Robed.Bishop: The King's Gambit is a favorite of mine. Lead the way! p.s. - I understand the need for different names; the FBI is tapping my phones, too. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | TheFocus: <galdur>< This punching bag seems about done so what say you make yours truly the new one?> No way <galdur>. You cannot just waltz in here and take over <AJ>'s spot. You got to have webpages (complete with faulty analysis); games where you beat Class XYZ players that are actually brilliancies (we are just not bright enough to appreciate them); YouTube videos that hardly anyone likes; a LIFE Master title; plus, <AJ> has made 10,000 posts while you haven't cracked 100 yet. Sorry to tell you this, but <AJ> has made his bones and paid his dues. You have not. Better that we keep the Devil we know, then to battle another one that we don't. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | ajile: <galdur: 10...Qf6 isn´t quite extinct, I found about 15 games since 2000 with black scoring 40%.
The final position in this game can be found in six games of 30-45 moves, from 1990-2009, at chesslive.de. White´s score, five wins one loss.> Although Black avoids the doubled pawns 10..Qxf6 allows 11.e5 forcing open a center file with Black's King still uncastled. Seems rather bad from a logical standpoint. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | galdur: <TheFocus> Nice reasoning. You are certainly rolling well at the moment but consider that while I was belatedly admitting that I might be remotely wrong for the first time in 25 years, Mr. Ivanchuk swindled an impossible win out of Mr. Caruana in the tournament we all follow. No, you don´t have to worry about the Mayans. They believed that the earth was a disk sitting on the back of a gigantic alligator. So much for their cosmic genius. The guy chiseling that alleged CALENDAR probablyy ran out of stone OR DIed. Give it up, the signs are here. There will be no new cakewalk war dragging on for years and costing trillions. The market won´t allow it, There will be no new QE vecause because the market won´t allow it. Stay tuned, |
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| Dec-29-11 | | timhortons: <There will be no new cakewalk war dragging on for years and costing trillions.> so what will happen in strait of hormoz if the iranians block it? |
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| Dec-29-11 | | TheFocus: <timhortons> I think you want the <Ken Rogoff> page. Four doors down, on the left. Or right, depending on your politics. |
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| Feb-14-12 | | LIFE Master AJ: E-mail /// This has come up more than once ...
Black definitely did NOT have to resign in the final position ... no doubt about it. I almost never resign early ... you can check my games, and see this for yourself. Chalk this one up to many factors:
A.) I bashed many of my moves out VERY quickly, some instantly. (I don't care what anyone says, this can always be intimidating, esp. in a tactical situation.) And I certainly have been on the "wrong end" of this equation ... too many times! B.) My opponent was WAY down on time. (I don't remember exactly how much, but he had basically minutes left to get to move 40 or 45. I still had most of my time on my clock, maybe I had used 20-30 minutes.) C.) My opponent explained after the tournament that he was not feeling well. I also think that he might have been somewhat "shell-shocked" as well, he had lost at least one other game to a lower-rated player. I know all too well the sensation that you experience when you are not playing well, its like a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. If you need further proof of this, try the POTD. Especially see the posts by <David2009>. (This user is kind enough to post a link to a site where you can play out a so-called "easy win" against Crafty. Sometime this "winning a won game" can be next to impossible, especially when you are playing a strong chess engine.) |
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