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Ruslan Ponomariov vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Ponomatopoeia" (game of the day Mar-22-2014)
Dortmund Sparkassen (2010), Dortmund GER, rd 2, Jul-16
Catalan Opening: General (E00)  ·  1-0



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Mar-22-14  Nicocobas: Please ignore my previous post. I didn't see the commentaries that others had already posted on the topic.
Mar-23-14  morfishine: <Domdaniel> If <CG> won't listen to someone of your stature, that pretty much settles that
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  OhioChessFan: Really bad pun, and I don't mean that in a good sense. Contrary to everyone else I've seen weigh in on the matter, I always thought the puns should be foremost and the games, if they were good, would be a bonus. The overall level of the puns is not good, but to come up with one every day is a Herculean task. The 20 best efforts by the membership a few years ago was an agonizingly bad effort, and that was from a combined thousands of entries.
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  perfidious: <Dom <Morf> I also suggested to CG that they should have both a daily pun game and a daily quality game. Don't think it'll happen, though.>

Pun games would be easy from the look of things-quality might be a bit tougher. Probably enough for the webmaster to do as things are.

Mar-23-14  morfishine: <perfidious> True, and I respect your opinion, but thats where I'm at on this issue: A "Game of The Day" should be an instructive game of high quality, from both sides (ideally). Save the puns for lesser, "fun-pun" type games
Mar-24-14  offramp: Kid Creole & His Merry Old Coconuts did a song called, <Vladdy, I am the Daddy> which contained the rousing chorus, <Ona-ona onomatopoeia!> repeated a thousand times.

That's the significance of the pun.

Mar-24-14  morfishine: <offramp> I want to hear that song! Sounds like great fun!
Mar-24-14  offramp: You should be able to see it at

The onomatopoeia chorus starts at about 2:30.

The coconuts are in fine working order and look superb.

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  kevin86: two simple rules on pawn endings:

1 get a passed pawn
2 push, push,push...

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  thegoodanarchist: <morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Thanks, I always enjoy your posts!>

Well, Thank you! Not everyone does.

<I always try to augment criticism with solutions. For example, I sent to <CG> the suggestion that they create a new segment for a "Pun Game" and leave the segment for a "Game of the Day" as it should be: a truly interesting game that is thrilling for both sides>

This is a good idea.

Feb-01-16  yurikvelo: 18...Rc8? (gxf4!) - blunder which decided game outcome.

19...fxe6? (Bb5!) 20...Qe8? (gxf4!) 26...Rxb2? - gift Ponomariov easy win


May-13-16  posoo: MORFUSOON do NOT get angry because u do not possess da linguistic abillaty to UNDERSTAND da PUN! Obviosly


is a pun for

"Pono mate up heah!"

da mate is innevatable.

do NOT call people with linguistac brains "PATHETIC"

arguably dat in of ITSELF is patthetic.

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  al wazir: I got the first move, but after 19...fxe6 I would have played 20. Qa4. Black can't play 20...gxf4 because of 21. Rxd7.

The continuation might be 20...b5 21. Qxa6 gxf4 22. Nxe6 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 Qb6 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Nxf8 Bxf8.

Or it might not be.

Jun-02-19  LoveThatJoker: 19. e6! fxe6 [19...f6/f5 20. Rxd7 Qe8 21. Nxe8 Rxc2 22. Rxc2 +-; 19...gxf4 20. Rxd7 Qe8 21. Nxe8 Rxc2 22. Rxc2 Rxe8 (plausible) 23. Rxa7 Bb5 (23...Bc8 24. Rxc8! Rxc8 25. Rxe7 +-) 24. a4! +-] 20 . Qa4!? gxf4 (20...b5? 21. Qxa6 gxf4 22. Qxe6+ White wins) 21. Rxd7 Qe8 22. Nxe8 Rxc1+ 23. Kg2 +- because 23...Rxe8 24. Qxa6. LTJ
Jun-02-19  LoveThatJoker: I fired up an engine and noticed that 20. Qa4? is only a draw with best play after 20...Rxf4 - a move I missed in my blindfold calculations. I hope to do better next time! LTJ
Jun-02-19  stacase: 19.e6 cracks the egg. I wouldn't say the rest plays itself but it's pretty straight forward. I liked the pinned Bishop moves 25-29.
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  agb2002: White has two pawns for a bishop.

Black threatens gxf4.

The hole on f5, the pinned knights and the possibility of attacking the black king suggests 19.Qf5:

A) 19... Rxc7 20.Rxc7 Qxc7 21.Rxd7

A.1) 21... Qc8 22.Bxg5 Bxg5 (22... Qxd7 23.Qxd7 Bxg5 24.f4 Bd8 25.e4, followed by a pawn roll, looks winning) 23.Qxg5+ Kh8 24.e6 (24.Qf6+ Kg8 25.e6 Qc1+ 26.Kg2 Qc6+ 27.f3 Qxe6)

A.1.a) 24... Rg8 25.Qf6+ Rg7 26.Rd8+ wins decisive material.

A.1.b) 24... Qc4 25.Qf6+ Kg8 26.exf7+ Qxf7 (26... Rxf7 27.Rd8+ Rf8 28.Q(R)xf8#) 27.Rxf7 wins decisive material.

A.1.c) 24... Bc4 25.e7 Re8 26.Qf6+ Kg8 27.Rd8 wins decisive material.

A.2) 21... Qc5 22.Be3 Qb4 23.Bd2 Qc5 24.b4 Qc8 25.Bxg5 as in A.1.

A.3) 21... Bc8 22.Qxh7+ Kxh7 23.Rxc7 gxf4 24.Rxe7 fxg3 25.hxg3, unclear.

B) 19... gxf4 20.Rxd7 Rxc7 (20... Qxd7 21.Qxd7 Bd8 22.e6 looks winning) 21.Qa8 22.Rxe7 wins decisive material.

C) 19... Bb5 20.Nxb5 gxf4 21.Rc3 and the black knight is lost.

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  agb2002: 19.e6 is considerably stronger than 19.Qf5 according to Stockfish.
Jun-02-19  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini 4

18.Nxe7+ Qxe7 19.Qf5 Bb5 20.Rd5 gxf4 21.Qg4+ Kh8 22.Rxb5 fxg3 23.Qxg3 = / + (-0.41) Depth: 6 dpa done

18.Nc7 Rc8 19.Qc6 Nb8 20.Qe4 Rxc7 21.Rxd8 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 Rxd8 23.Kg2 + / = (0.28) Depth: 8 dpa done

18.Be3 Nc5 19.Bxc5 bxc5 20.Nf6+ Bxf6 21.Rxd8 Bxd8 22.Rd1 Rb8 23.Rd2 Bc8 24.Qxc5 Be6 25.b3 a6 26.Qe3 Rc8 27.Kg2 Be7 28.Rd6 Ra8 29.Rd3 Rfd8 30.Qe4 Kg7 31.h4 gxh4 32.gxh4 Rxd3 33.exd3 Rc8 34.d4 + / = (0.61) Depth: 21 dpa
18.Be3 Nc5
+ / = (0.54 --) Depth: 22 dpa done

<<18.Qf5> gxf4 19.Rc6 Nxe5 20.Qxe5 f6 21.Qxe7 Qxe7 22.Nxe7+ Kh8 23.e4 fxe3 24.fxe3 Rad8 25.Rcd6 Rde8 26.Rd7 Rf7 27.Rxa7 Bc4 28.Rdd7 Bxa2 29.e4 Rg7 30.Kg2 Bb1 31.Kf3 h5 32.Rac7 Kh7 33.b4 Bc2 34.Rxc2 Rgxe7 35.Rxe7+ Rxe7 + - (1.72) Depth: 23 dpa done>

Jun-02-19  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini 4 d 22 dpa done

<1. = (0.25): 17...Bd8> 18.Qd2 Qb8 19.e6 gxf4 20.e7 Qe5 21.exf8Q+ Nxf8 22.Qxf4 Qxf4 23.Nxf4 Ng6 24.Nd3 Bf6 25.b3 Kg7 26.Kg2 Re8 27.Rc2 Re7 28.f3 Re3 29.Rdd2 Bb5 30.a4 Be8 31.Rc7 a5 32.Rc4 Ne5 33.Re4 Rxe4 34.fxe4 Ng4

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  thegoodanarchist: I looked at this game 5 years ago, but neglected to memorize the combination.

That's why I didn't get the solution today.

Jun-02-19  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini 4 d 22 dpa

<1. + / = (0.51): 15.Qa4> Qb7 16.Bh6 gxh6 17.Nxd5 exd5 18.Bxd5 Qb8 19.Qxa6 Nc5 20.Qc4 Qxe5 21.b4 Ne6 22.Bxa8 Rxa8 23.Rd7 Bf8 24.Kg2 a5 25.Rd5 Qf6 26.bxa5 Bc5 27.Qg4+ Qg6 28.Qxg6+ hxg6 29.axb6 Bxb6 30.Rc2 Bd4 31.e3 Bf6 32.Rd7 Ra3 33.h4 Kg7 34.Rb7 Nd8 35.Rb3 Ra5 36.Rb6

2. = (0.17): 15.f4 Bc5+ 16.e3 Rd8

Jun-02-19  BxChess: I went with 19. Qf5, and find great consolation in the highly respected agb2002 also going down this path. I missed Bc8, as in 19. Qf5 Rxc7 20. Rxc7 Bc8

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Black has a small edge after, say, 21. Rcxd7 gxf4 22. Rxd8 Bxf5

Jun-02-19  TheaN: Hm. Went with Qf5 and not entirely too bad, even though it's better for Black whereas e6 is almost winning for White: it's a tough position. Qf5 fails due to some very intricate defensive options.
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  Messiah: What an ABSOLUTELY horrible pun for a super interesting game! Stinks!
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