Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Bill Wall vs Jackie Robin
Casual (1983), Dayton, OH USA
French Defense: Advance Variation. Milner-Barry Gambit (C02)  ·  1-0



Get this game explained with Decode Chess
explore this opening
find similar games 380 more games of B Wall
sac: 16.Qxd5+ PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Some people don't like to know the result of the game in advance. This can be done by registering a free account then visiting your preferences page, then checking "Don't show game results".

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Premium Chessgames Member
  Stonehenge: Too difficult for a Tuesday because of 16...Bd6.
Jun-25-13  Abdel Irada: <Later, when I allowed myself to use a board for analysis, I saw that after 20...Kxd5, White has:

21. Qd5 mate!>

An unusual mate, that. ;-)

Jun-25-13  Abdel Irada: Brave Sir Robin took the queen,
And lived not on to run away!
Brave Sir Robin!

Jun-25-13  abuzic: abuzic: abuzic: 16.Qxd5+ Bd6 17.Qg5+ Kc8 18.Bxd6 Qxb5 19.Rac1+ Kd7 20.Qxg7 Nh6 21.Qf6 Kxd6 22.Red1+ Qd5 23.Rxd5+ Kxd5 24.Rd1+ Kc6 25.Qc3+ Kb6 <25...Kb5 26.a4+ Kb6 27.Qd4+ Ka5 28.Ra1 and 29.b4#> 26.Qd4+ Kb5 27.a4+ Ka5 28.Ra1 and 29.b4#.
Jun-25-13  lolchessaments: After Qg5+ everything falls into place (or falls apart if you're playing black..) so I'd probably consider seeing Qxd5 Bd6 Qg5+ as solved. It seems like black's best defense leaves him a R and some pawns down still facing an attack.

Maybe this is 'too hard' for a tuesday as the Qg5+ move funnily enough doesn't jump out at you, but CG has always used 'easy' in a very relative manner.

Jun-25-13  zb2cr: At first glance, this looks like Monday: 16. Qxd5+, exd5; 17. Re8#.

However, Black is not obliged to take the Queen and can instead play 16. ... Bd6! This leaves White with a Bishop hanging on b5, so 17. Qxd6 winds up with Black being 1 Pawn ahead. White should therefore play 17. Qg5+. Black now can play:

(A) 17. ... f6; 18. Qxg7, axb5; 19. Qxh8. White is up by the exchange and likely to stay that way. Black's King is exposed to further attacks.

(B) 17. ... Ne7; 18. Bxd6.

(B.1) 18. ... Qxd6?; 19. Rad1 pins and wins the Black Queen.

(B.2) 18. ... axb5; 19. Qxe7+, Kc8; 20. Rac1+, Qc6; 21. Rxc6+, bxc6; 22. Qc7#.

(C) 17. ... Kc8; 18. Qxg7 as in variation (A).

Jun-25-13  anandrulez: Bill Wall is one of the famous old bloggers on Chess if I am not mistaken . He had some interesting Chess Page .

Anyway this puzzle is interesting only if we find OTB otherwise its quite simple and forcing .

Premium Chessgames Member
  gawain: The criss-crossing bishops suggest a mate threat, and there it is 16 Qxd5+ exd5 17 Re8#. But I did not notice 16...Bd6. It's not quite so neat after that. But White wins material.
Jun-25-13  Slink: Puzzle aside, anyone know other French games where White lets Black eat the central pawns in order to gain initiative in development and attack the king in the center? Would love to up the ante on these pesky French players in my online games :P

Much obliged.

Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Maybe 5d queen sitter in f3 pat on the back ambled,

up in a good while see f3 have in chucking d8 to the cornered c8 invade for one aced black at sixes and seven dang why angle for d5 her dead in the cloud having question of a fashion exd5 a ramble 16...bd6?

Line delve in blew away d5 first a feeder 16.Qxd5+ blood pegs back pawn a framed 16...bd6 offers more resistance line believe it now in affabled king here defend a little longer deep bishop light all i g5 a torn i question instead,

17.Rxe6 castle for one sure break up e6 l0 win and g5+ the peaking d8 slide in c8 allowing 18.Bxd6 Qxd6 19.red1 communal gains all-rounder as put in,

d6 all above board it toast in be difficult re d6 a stipulate again empty raison detre a dipody 16...exd5 17.re8 special effects moments to wed away d5 has the fob doors.

Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: The sacrifice is lethal. White will win big material or mate.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <Slink> As a premium member, you can use Opening Explorer to help with questions like this. There is a choice of moves for you to click to reach your desired position. At any time, you can click the link <search database for this position> (below the diagram) to bring up a list of games with that position.

Here, the critical position arises after 10...Qxe5, and the database has 25 games from that position:

If you're interested in a certain position, you can do a FEN search. Right click on the board, and choose "copy position". At the bottom of the beginning Opening Explorer page, you will see a box labeled FEN search. Just paste the copied position in there, and you go straight to the position (if it exists in the Opening Explorer, of course.)

And, in case you're not familiar with FEN: FEN Help Page

Jun-25-13  bengalcat47: This poor robin never had a chance after he slammed into the really hard wall!
Jun-25-13  geeker: Interesting for Tuesday! It was easy to see 16. Q:d5+ considering early-week Q-sac theme, but 1...Bd6 required much more thought.
Jun-25-13  BOSTER: <Bartimaeus> gave the such like <with respect to 17...Kc7> <16.Qxd5+ Bd6 17.Qg5+ Kc7 18.Bxd6+ Qxd6 19.Red1 Qb6 20.Qxg7...>.

In the such pos. I'd never played 20.Qxg7?
My guess 20.Qe5+ Kc8 21.Rac1+ and game is over.

Jun-25-13  lost in space: Got that quickly.
Jun-25-13  bachbeet: Got it. I wonder if every puzzle this week will be a Q sac.
Jun-25-13  Slink: <Phony> Thank you. Already learned a lot.
Jun-25-13  Patriot: 16.Qxd5+

16...exd5 17.Re8#

16...Kc8 17.Qd7#

16...Ke7 17.Bg5+ Nf6 18.Qd7#

16...Ke7 17.Bg5+ f6 18.Qd7#

16...Bd6 17.Bxd6 exd5 18.Re8#

16...Bd6 17.Bxd6 Qxb5 18.Qxb5 axb5 19.Rad1 and white has an interesting game.

The last variation, starting with 16...Bd6, looks best. I may have missed something there because that seemed a lot tougher than "easy" although the decision to play 16.Qxd5+ seems pretty easy.

Jun-25-13  Patriot: Ok, so Houdini likes 16...Bd6 17.Qg5+ best. 17.Bxd6 Qxb5 is still winning but trading queens there as I calculated is a huge mistake. Houdini likes 18.Qd4 - simple enough that I didn't see it.
Jun-25-13  kramputz: Answer to;<AbdelIrada> Your problem is you talk too much and you don't think. After Re8+ the King can not go to c7, he would move into check. After that you go into a lot of nonsense. Your closing blabber mouth commentary is ridiculous. Some time ago I checked out your Website & found it interesting. But learn to think before you open your trap.
Jun-25-13  James D Flynn: White is 2 pawns down but all his pieces are developed and Blacks’s K-side is totally undeveloped and Black’s K is stuck in the centre where White’s heavyt pieces san attack it. 16.Qxd5+ Bd6(if Ke7 17.Bg5+ f6 18.Qd7# or Kc8 17.Qd7#) 17.Ba4(if Bxd6 Qxb5 18.Qxb5 axb5 19,Bxd6 Ne7 and White remains a pawn down) exd5 18,Re8+ Kc7 19.Rc1+ Qc6 20.Bxd6+ Kxd6 21.Rxc6+ bxc6 22.Rxa8(now Black is still a pawn up but his game is hopeless because cannot move either K side piece without losing the other and if he moves his K to g7 to defend the R on a8 he will lose all his central and Q-side pawns. White has only to centralize his K and wait for the Black pawns to fall.
Jun-26-13  Abdel Irada: <kramputz: Answer to;<AbdelIrada> Your problem is you talk too much and you don't think. After Re8+ the King can not go to c7, he would move into check. After that you go into a lot of nonsense. Your closing blabber mouth commentary is ridiculous.>

This is unintelligible as well as senselessly insulting. Explain it so it makes sense or retract it.

("Explain" means supplying move numbers so I have some idea of the context. From what you've offered here, it looks very much to me as though you are plain wrong.)

<But learn to think before you open your trap.>

That is excellent advice which you have signally failed to follow. I advise changing that pattern before you run across someone in a bad mood who will blow the whistle rather than bother to warn you first as I am now doing.

Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: Maybe <wwall> can answer this question: was your opponent in this game Jan Robin?
Premium Chessgames Member
  wwall: The opponent was Jackie Robin, an African American, played as a casual game at a chess club in Dayton, Ohio in 1983.
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 3)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Milner-Barry strikes again
from 97xd_French Disasters -Teh Dark Side of Chess by whiteshark
French Def. Advance. Milner-Barry Gambit (C02) 1-0Q sac, Opera#
from Ohios Across the River from Fredthebear by fredthebear
French Def. Advance. Milner-Barry Gambit (C02) 1-0Q sac, Opera#
from Game collection: 18K by fredthebear
17 moves
from Chess Miniatures, Collection V by wwall
1. Advanced. Milner-Barry
from French. Advanced. by PinkLedDoor
17 moves
from Chess Miniatures, Collection V by Okavango
super quick deadly traps and such
by jungol
French defence advance
by alabama
11...Qd6 12.Nb5 Bxb5 13.Bxb5+ Kd8 14.Qf3 a6 15.Bf4 Qb6 16.Qxd5+
16.? (Tuesday, June 25)
from POTD French 2 by takchess
16.? (Tuesday, June 25)
from Puzzle of the Day 2013 by Phony Benoni
by obrit

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC