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| Nov-02-12 | | whiteshark: Must be my happy day, today. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | morfishine: Hi <Al2009> In your line starting with 21.Nh5 (which is another interesting try), Instead of 22...Ne7, Black plays <22...Bd8> and is able to defend after 23.Bxh6 gxh6 24.Qxh6 <24...Bf6> Perhaps there is a different move-order allowing White to break thru since you are for-the-most-part right: White's Knight on <f5> is so powerful, that it seems superior to both Black Knights combined! |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Cibator: This is a fairly standard attacking procedure, sac' ing a N at g7 to lure the K forward, then a second sac of the B at h6 followed - main point - by the irruption of the Q to f6, forcing the K out into the open altogether. I had this one about to go off in one of my games, but my opponent scented danger and nicked off the f5 N before I could spring it. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Gilmoy: Heh. For those of you whose eyes don't "see" Nxg7 yet, take heart: we started there, too. Solve PotDs here for a couple of years, and your eyes will learn. I did it the other way around: <21.Nxg7> felt right in ~1 second (before I saw White's back row configuration), whereas it took me almost 20 seconds to even notice Nxh6+. (Some meta-gaming from experience: toward the end of the chessgames week, we start to reverse-prune away the coffeehouse sacs.) N.B. It helps greatly to have played Nxg7/Nxg2 and won OTB, even in 5m blitz on free sites like Pogo. The work you put in to calculate it out, and even to make it a plan element from 2-4 moves earlier and jockey for it, is the most indelible kind of training. Of course, there's a bit of chicken-and-egg in that you have to "see" a move before you can judge whether it's worth a think. Glean nuggets from PotDs and game study, and then go ye forth and smite some fish. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | gars: I didn't even dream about 21)Nxg7. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | jancotianno: Had 3 candidate moves in mind Bxh6, Nxh6+ and Nxg7. Nxg7 my first choice and its the most forcing move as if Kxg7 isn't played black loses a piece and Bxh6 forces Kxh6 and the king isn't getting out after Qxf6 black will have to sac his queen or get mated. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Marmot PFL: I'm sure I would have played 21 Nh6+ and missed the faster but more complicated win, which demands real chess artistry. |
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Nov-02-12
 | | kevin86: White sacs two minor pieces and closes his attack with queen and knight. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Archswindler: I've often found that when I have a Knight on f5, and am thinking about a sacrifice on h6, that it's usually worth taking a look at Nxg7 first. |
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Nov-02-12
 | | chrisowen: <21.Nxg7> Sustenance in good game it fecth in king otherwise fun to be had rampaging h6 and rooke8 grinded off the board variation includes king reloader knightg3 in back up f5 tainted queen love has eyes on f6 once bishop sac h6, in kingg7 now the second part of the plan c1 hilled ramp in h6+ advisable it to sidestep h7 preventing immediate break down op in waltzing matilda method in wall it is kingxh7 allow ground for queen invader drift in f6 hood uncover dream in g3 too f5 pluck roog8 instead bd8 still undulate am in dismantle the egg knightf5 as the little it feint. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Al2009: @morfishine
After 22...Bd8 23. Bxh6 gxh6 24. Qxh6 Bf6 (your idea, I think) 25 h4! Nxh4 (what else?) 26. Nxh4! (26. Qxf6 loses a tempo, and allows f7-f6) Bxh4 27. Qxh4 Qe7 (27...f6 28. Re3! Rf7 29. Rg3+ wins, takes at least 3 pawns more) 28. Qg4+ and then Re3 wins I admit your move 22...Bd8 is a better defence than 22...Ne7, but I don't think it could save Black. |
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Nov-02-12
 | | agb2002: Both sides are complete.
The pawn on g7 is overworked. This suggests 21.Nxh6+ winning a pawn. However, it seems possible to achieve more with 21.Nxg7 with the double threat 22.Qxf6 and 22.Bxh6. After 22... Kxg7 23.Bxh6+ forces the win of the knight on f6: A) 23... Kxh6 24.Qxf6 (threatens mate in two with 25.Nf5+) A.1) 24... Kh7 25.Nf5 Rg8 26.Qg5 and Black must trade his queen for the knight to avoid mate. A.2) 24... Rg8 25.Nf5+ Kh7 (25... Kh5 26.g4#) 26.Qg5 as in A.1. B) 23... Kg8 24.Qxf6 and mate next.
C) 23... Kh7 24.Qxf6 Rg8 (24... Kxh6 25.Nf5+ and mate next) 25.Nf5 + - [2P] (25... Qd8 26.Qxf7+; 25... Nf4 26.Bxf4 exf4 27.Qh6#). |
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| Nov-02-12 | | morfishine: <Al2009> You are right, I over stated the benefit of 22...Bd8. Nice work and IMO you are not a 'spoil-sport' by pointing out a different line, even if its to show how poor Black's position is. Like many poor positions, a tempo or two is all it takes to make a position salvageable, thus requiring accuracy on the side with the advantage. Otherwise, he lets the cat out of the bag :) |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Patriot: I toyed with several ideas like Nxh6+, Bxh6, and Nxg7. 21.Nxh6+ gxh6 22.Qxf6 wins a pawn.
21.Bxh6 gxh6 22.Nxh6+ Kg7 wins a few pawns for a piece. 21.Nxg7 Kxg7 22.Bxh6+ Kxh6 23.Qxf6 Bd8 (not sure what else challenges this move) 24.Nf5+ Kh5 (24...Kh7 25.Qg7#) 25.Bd1# The last line is the most interesting. But is there something that may refute everything? 21.Nxg7 Kxg7 (else lose a pawn) 22.Bxh6+ Kxh6 23.Qxf6 Rg8 24.Nf5+ Kh7 25.Nxd6 Bd8 26.Nxe8 Qxe8 (26...Bxf6 27.Nxf6+ and 28.Nxd7  ) 27.Qf3 Oh well...no more time for this. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Dr. J: <morfishine> <Al2009>: <21. Nh5 Nxh5 22. Qxh5 Bd8 23. Bxh6 gxh6 24. Qxh6 Bf6 25 h4 Nxh4 (what else?)...> Black might do better with 25...Bh8. I looked at 26 h5 Ne7 27 Re3 Nxf5 28 exf5 f6 29 Rg3+ Bg7 30 Qg6 Qf7 (30...Kh8 31 h6 seems ) 31 h6 Qxg6 32 Rxg6 Re7. White remains a pawn ahead, but, with his Bishop so blocked, it looks like a draw. Do you see better for White? |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Patriot: In my line <21.Nxg7 Kxg7 (else lose a pawn) 22.Bxh6+ Kxh6 23.Qxf6 Rg8 24.Nf5+ Kh7 25.Nxd6 Bd8 26.Nxe8 Qxe8 (26...Bxf6 27.Nxf6+ and 28.Nxd7 ) 27.Qf3 ) I thought about 25.Qg5 briefly and didn't look at it enough, although it is simple and powerful. On 25.Nxd6 Bd8 26.Nxe8, Houdini suggests 26...Nh4! winning. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | bachbeet: Like some I thought of attacking the h6 pawn but never considered the g7 pawn as being the key. This is a beautiful combo that Steadman pulled off. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | morfishine: <Dr. J> I much enjoyed your post sir! Your <25...Bh8> is a significant improvement for the defense; No time for run-outs now, but I am looking at <27.g4> as a way for White to continue the attack |
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| Nov-02-12 | | MountainMatt: Hmmm, Steadman vs. Thompson. Thompson must have experienced some Fear and Loathing during this game... |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Dr. J: <me>: <21. Nh5 Nxh5 22. Qxh5 Bd8 23. Bxh6 gxh6 24. Qxh6 Bf6 25 h4 Bh8 26 h5 Ne7 27 Re3 ...> <morfishine> suggests 27. g4. The problem is that after 27...Nxf5 28. gxf5 f6 Black's rooks can join the fight, and I don't see anything for White, though I cannot claim to have extensively analysed any of these variations. |
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| Nov-02-12 | | Dr. J: (continued). The thing is 21 Nh5 still looks like a natural and strong continuation. Perhaps better is the more patient 21. Nh5 Nxh5 22. Qxh5 Bd8 23. Re3 (23...Bg5 24 Rg3), and it is hard to see how Black can withstand the accumulation of force against his King. |
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| Nov-03-12 | | morfishine: <Dr.J> I totally agree with your comment <21 Nh5 still looks like a natural and strong continuation> as this is winning. It is an embarrassing move for Black: since <g7> is hit twice, <21...Nxh5> is forced. With Black's Bishops so poorly positioned, one must look back to find the error in the placement of his pieces. I think <13...c5> is one culprit. No doubt, <13...c6> is better (planning on exchanging on <d5>). Black's Knights are perfectly placed for this move, while White's Knight is 3-moves away from <f5> In fact, the entire move order 13 - 15 for Black should be questioned. Black closes the Queenside, and in effect, seals his own doom |
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| Nov-03-12 | | Al2009: @morfishine + Dr.J
Another good idea, after 21. Nh5 Nxh5 22. Qxh5 Bd8, could be 23. g4 and then h4 - g5. After opening the h-file, White can also threaten mate on h8 with Kg2 and Rh1. Black is almost planless, and can do nothing to stop White's attack on the kingside. |
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| Nov-03-12 | | Al2009: little typo above: I was meaning "mate on h7" (not on h8) |
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| Nov-03-12 | | Dr. J: The three of us are in agreement. Therefore it must certainly be true. |
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