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Petra Papp vs Maia Lomineishvili
"Ma and Pa Skittles" (game of the day Apr-27-2022)
European Championship (Women) (2010), Rijeka CRO, rd 8, Mar-14
Sicilian Defense: Richter-Rauzer. Modern Variation (B61)  ·  1-0

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Mar-08-22  Saniyat24: This game should be in Petra's notable games...!
Mar-08-22  Martha Stewart: "Maia's Papp Smear"
Mar-08-22
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  ajk68: "Ma and Pa Skittles"
Apr-27-22
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  HeMateMe: One of the BEST puns of the year! Hands down!
Apr-27-22
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  Phony Benoni: A typical example of the work of that learned couple, Ma and Pa Kettle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq...

Apr-27-22  fokers13: i was wondering why did black not take the queen with 15..Qxb4,and after looking at the board for a while(and finally the engine),well apparently there's no reason it was completely winning.Not sure what you'd be afraid of either bishop control the a1-h8 diagonal and d8 is controlled by the Qa5 AND Rc8
Apr-27-22  Brenin: The comedy of errors around moves 13 to 15 makes it hard to believe that these were 2300+ players.
Apr-27-22
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  Breunor: This is where it is better to be a patzer - none of us wouldn’t take the queen on 15! Stockfish puts black at +9! I was really shocked.
Apr-27-22  areknames: Just a silly game, a beginner would have played 15...Bxd4, <selector> is slipping.
Apr-27-22  Honey Blend: One could speculate the reason why 15. ... ♗xd4 was missed is because on 16. ♖xd4 ♕xb5 17. fxg7 Black might have overlooked that Qxg5+ delivers check. If it didn't, being spooked by an imaginary 18. gxh8# in that line would have looked scary.
Apr-27-22
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  Phony Benoni: Whenever there is an awful sequence of moves from two good players, you have to suspect a possible score error. I'm sure that's what happened here, and I think there's a very easy solution.

After <12...Bc6>:


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Explore the effects of <13.Nb5> instead of 13.Bb5. Stocfish gives its blessing.

Continuing as in the game with <13...Bxb5 14.exf6 Bc5>


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Now, instead of taking on b5 with the knight, White takes with the bishop -- and Black can't take the queen because she's in check!

The rest of the game with <15.Bxb5+ Qxb5 16.Qd8+ Rxd8 17.Rxd8+ Kxd8 18.fxg7+> is perfectly copacetic. This would be an easy enough error to make while inputting the game into a database, and I'll bet it's what happened.

Apr-27-22
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Good find <Phony Benoni>

Apr-27-22
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Evidently, CG edited the game to produce the correct more order. All the better--the game ends with a beautiful combination.
Apr-27-22
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<An Englishman>

Good Afternoon: good to see you again.

Apr-27-22  goodevans: <Martha Stewart: "Maia's Papp Smear"> Something very similar was used for one of Misa Pap 's games. I found it in poor taste then too.
Apr-27-22
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  keypusher: What a finale!
Apr-27-22  goodevans: <An Englishman: Good Evening: Evidently, CG edited the game to produce the correct move order...>

Only the version of the game score without SF annotations. The version with SF annotations is still wrong.

I've submitted a correction slip to get that version either corrected or removed.

Apr-27-22
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  keypusher: <I've submitted a correction slip to get that version either corrected or removed.>

<good evans>

Me too, and I will of course take full credit if it gets fixed.

Apr-27-22
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  MissScarlett: This situation is not one that can be readily corrected. It will be attended to in due course. Thank you for your patience. In other words, FORGET IT!
Apr-27-22
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<MissScarlett> Thank heavens. I was just about to leave a message for you in your forum asking how I can even find "the version with SF annotations."

I also looked at the correction slip <goodevans> and <keypusher> sent in.

Is that the kind of slip we can process, or do we need to ask webmaster <Stephen> for help?

In other words, how do we find, look at, and delete <"The version with SF annotations>?

Apr-27-22
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<goodeveans>, <keypusher>

Aha I just went to the webmaster's forum and <MissScarlett> has posted more information there:

stevemcd87 chessforum (kibitz #1110)

<MissScarlett: It's been raised before, but - as highlighted again here P Papp vs M Lomineishvili, 2010 (kibitz #17) - is there a way to remove the page showing Stockfish's game annotations? On the game editors' page, removing Stockfish's pid from the annotation box doesn't have the desired effect.>

Apr-27-22
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Further information on this issue courtesy of <zanzibar>:

stevemcd87 chessforum (kibitz #1112)

<Z free or die: Also, a side note I've been saving for a long time about <Engine Annotations>... The SF annotations usually get inserted when a blunder has been made, showing the better move in a variation ending with an eval.

But how bad is any given blunder? One doesn't know.

In other words - where is the eval for the position after the actual blunder????>

Apr-27-22
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  whittaker: Crafty says 14...Bc5 was the losing move, preferring 14... Bc6 when White is only ahead by +0.48.

It also looks at 12...Rxc3, again giving White only a slight plus, before concluding that the game move 12...Bc6 is marginally better.

Apr-28-22
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: And good to see you, too, <jessicafischerqueen>.

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