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Wesley So vs Gata Kamsky
World Cup (2009), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 3, Nov-28
Dutch Defense: Leningrad Variation (A86)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Nov-28-09  zanshin: <ashalpha: Hmmm...I don't know Iskubadayb. Do you have engine analysis?>

<ashalpha> Analysis of the final position follows. I played out the game to move 75 with Rybka and couldn't get the eval higher than about +1.3. The QS pawns never queened, so maybe Wes would have had an advantage throughout, but the game was really drawn.


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[+1.36] d=20 42...f3 43.Bxf3 Be5 44.b5 (0:04.33) 10572kN

Nov-28-09  ajile: As a Leningrad player I don't really care for this choice of Kamsky. Here is the critical position:

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The problem is Black wants to play e5 before White gets in e4. Issue is that 8..e5 seems too soon to me since the center is opened before Black is developed. This means no matter what White will have a nice edge based on faster deployment plus threats on the weakened c4-g8 diagonal. So even though the database suggests that 8..e5 is good I would say that strategically it isn't. A developing move such as 8..Nc6 is more in the spirit of the Leningrad IMHO. For an example see this game:

P Petran vs J Grigorov, 1986

Nov-28-09  timhortons: <ashalpha>

thanks for making this clear.

Nov-28-09  cloybloy: 3 down, 3 to go. Way to go, Wes.
Nov-28-09  hellopolgar: anyone notice that black's rook is hopelessly trapped in the end? and it looks like wesley saw this coming when he played 32.Bf3
Nov-28-09  albertsky67: Job well done Wesley So sana magtuloy-tuloy ka sa championship...another great day for pilipino people!!!
Nov-28-09  GalileoPiccolino: Wesley So scalped his second Super GM and knocked Kamsky out of the tournament

The World Cup 2009 is experiencing an irreplaceable loss – the young Wesley So from the Philippines made a draw in the second game of Round 2 and knocked out the last World Cup winner, Gata Kamsky. “Everything was decided in the first game. At one point I was hoping that I could win against this player with my experience, - said Gata after the match. – But sadly, my opponent was not that easy to beat, as I was expecting.”

It is obvious: a new fantastic “gold nugget” has been found in Khanty Mansiysk now. Most probably in the nearest future, he will aspire for a place among the chess elite. And this is clear: no one from the high-class favourites can defeat him here. “The fact that Wesley So was born and grew up in a non-chess country, the Philippines , speaks about his fantastic talent,” – says the commentator of the Cup GM Sergey Shipov. To make the picture clear, we should also mention that he is practically self-educated and very enthusiastic. He has no coach and no financial support from the Government.

Nov-28-09  drummer61: I hope that Wesley's showing will help him get the financial support for training, hotels and travel that he needs to take it to the next level. It is amazing that he's just turning 16 and with limited resources he has gotten this far.
Nov-28-09  ilocovancouverite: hm, just awondering if '...our creator...' takes sides, eh?

anyway, let's enjoy chess in general. folks. the Pinoy heat is on, isnt it?...

Nov-28-09  sjr36: wesley so is a self-made genius
Nov-28-09  bisdak324: pagka-maayo gyud nimo GM wesley so. ako gitanaw ang live netcast sa 1st ug 2nd games against kamsky, naglisod gyud sya sa position ug sa oras..grabe di basta-basta imo abilidad..congratulations and goodluck to the next round. more power - from iligan city
Nov-28-09  KamikazeAttack: I am so happy this boy has surfaced. In view his poor chess background i.e no coach, no financial support, self educated etc, this is one talent.

I am sick to the back teeth of reading that the future belongs to Carlsen. Hell frigging nonsense, there are many hot juniors, how can one possibly tell how they would develop?

So's play shows someone who has a natural and deep understanding of the game. I am a fan now.

Nov-28-09  ashalpha: Welcome to club KamikazeAttack! :-)...I have thought he was World Champion material as early as his win against Ni Hua. There will be ups and downs as some of us seem to forget but I have no doubt now he will have the opportunity to fight for the World Championship and I for one think he has a good chance lol...
Nov-28-09  ashalpha: Thanks Zanshin...was 43...f3 more forced as the computer choice before 43...Be5? Interesting...
Nov-28-09  cloybloy: I noticed that the opening repertoire of Wesley has become dynamic over the years. That's a good sign.
Nov-28-09  zanshin: <ashalpha> For the terminal position, the best line I have is

[+1.41] d=21 42...f3 43.Bxf3 Be5 44.b5 Rh2 45.Kf1 Bd4 46.Bg2 Bxc5 47.Rxc7 Bxa3 48.b6 Bd6 49.Rc6 Be5 50.Rc4 Rh5 51.b7 Bd6 52.Rd4 Bc7 53.Rd7 Bf4 54.Ke2 Rb5 55.Be4 Rb4 56.Kf3 Be5 (0:08.25) 19926kN


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I guess Rybka thinks the best move for Black is to sac the f-pawn in exchange for the c7-h2 diagonal for the Bishop, thus saving the pawn on c7.

Nov-28-09  zanshin: <cloybloy: I noticed that the opening repertoire of Wesley has become dynamic over the years. That's a good sign.>

Yes, it's a good sign and natural progression for a young player. You might be interested in some of the comments by User: Glenn Bordonada

At Wesley So he said

<He is trying out new openings and he is now being marked and prepared against by his opponents. He is very young and it is normal for young players to experience sudden surges and dips. I remember Kasparov, when he was 14, suffering disappointments in cadet/junior championships when he was already then the top seed. Wesley will get past this and scale even greater heights.>

And at Wesley So he said:

<Wesley is in the process of expanding his repertoire. The Ruy Lopez and Sicilian Kan are additions to his repertoire. But as we have seen in his problems with the Ruy in Aeroflot, his understanding of those openings are not yet deep. The truth is it takes a lot of time and study before an e4 player can play d4, c4 or Nf3. Anand has only recently played 1.d4 after many years of playing. Fischer also played those openings late in his career. Wesley will get there too, hopefully much earlier (compared to Anand, Fischer). But it will take some time. Right now, he needs to go back to his Ruy Lopez studies and the QGD Slav. Medyo hilaw pa.>

I think this is the first time he has played the English in an important game.

Nov-28-09  zanshin: <ashalpha> I inadvertently left the comp running on the same position, so here's a deeper line. No real change though.

[+1.35] d=23 42...f3 43.Bxf3 Be5 44.b5 Rh2 45.Kf1 Bd4 46.Bg2 Bxc5 47.Rxc7 Bxa3 48.b6 Bd6 49.Rd7 Be5 50.Re7 Rh5 51.b7 Bd6 52.Rd7 Bf4 53.Be4 Rb5 54.Rf7 (0:32.19) 82779kN

Nov-28-09  Bradah: aren't we giving too much info to wesley would be opponent.? just asking.
Nov-29-09  cloybloy: I think this is the first time he has played the English in an important game.

Precisely. He was trying an English when Kamsky employed a Dutch. Still, Wes was able to take it calmly.

Nov-29-09  LaFreak III: So Gata Go
Nov-30-09  ashalpha: That is interesting zanshin...sorry I am now just responding I have been traveling for the past few days to my new duty station in Sasebo, Japan. 42...f3 does seem to force White to a line more Black's choosing. Thanks...bradah anyone of master strength can make the same generalization with a computer program some of them even without it so unless someone was completely uninterested in this game they would make the same conclusions.
Nov-30-09  punites: We filipino's are great talents!!! power- pacquiao and now mind- so go philippines
Nov-30-09  Bradah: <ashalpha: That is interesting zanshin...sorry I am now just responding I have been traveling for the past few days to my new duty station in Sasebo, Japan. 42...f3 does seem to force White to a line more Black's choosing. Thanks...bradah anyone of master strength can make the same generalization with a computer program some of them even without it so unless someone was completely uninterested in this game they would make the same conclusions.> Drink some Saki for me with fresh slices of sashimi.:o)

It's not worth digging the info as it was buried deep six only to re-surface here again,just in time when the heat is on, when the eyes are on you. I will not elaborate any further for the sake of the game.:o)

Dec-01-09  ashalpha: Sige aba :-) favorite ko rin yun bradah.
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