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Aleksey Dreev vs Gennadij Fish
European Club Cup (2009), Ohrid MKD, rd 4, Oct-07
Tarrasch Defense: Classical. Reti Variation (D34)  ·  1-0



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Nov-11-09  YouRang: I'll add my name to the list of those who thought 34.Bh6 was good.

Granted, I didn't see the strength of 34...f4!, which not only interrupts Qg5+, but also turns ...Bxf2+! into a deadly counter attack by enabling ...Qg3+.

However, now that I do see it, it seems that 35.Bxf4 scoops up a pawn and saddles black with an ugly king position.

Nov-11-09  ruzon: I considered 34. ♗h6 first like many before settling for 34. ♗c3 and winning the Exchange. I think 34...♔h8 is the best refutation of the former.
Nov-11-09  JuliusCaesar: Bc3 must have come as a shock to Fish! Imagine leaving the board, going for a stroll to stretch your legs, feeling pretty okay about your position and then finding a white bishop on c3 when you get back -:)
Nov-11-09  Marmot PFL: Eventually I realized that white's main threat was Qg5+, then found the move Bc3 to make it happen.
Nov-11-09  WhiteRook48: I saw something of a possible Qg5+ so I played 34 Bc3 I looked at 34 BxN first though
Nov-11-09  ComboKal: <eblunt> In his main line, <gofer> had played <34. ...f4>, not f6 as you have it.

So, now, if you try to play <35. Qc6>, you get burned after <35. ...Bxf2+, 36.Kxf2 Qg3+!>

Nov-11-09  GaeBulg: Ugh, I was thinking Bh6 threatening a mate and forking the knight after moving Qc6. I assumed that the only defense after Bh6 was Bf6 to prevent the queen from going to g5 to deliver mate, but I missed ...f4 which puts all my plans to shame...all i get out of that is one free pawn >_>
Nov-11-09  YouRang: <ruzon: I considered 34.Bh6 first like many before settling for 34.Bc3 and winning the Exchange. I think 34...Kh8 is the best refutation of the former.>

Actually, things still go downhill for black pretty rapidly after 34...Kh8 35.Qg5 (threat: Qxd8#).

Nov-11-09  David2009: <YouRang: I'll add my name to the list of those who thought 34.Bh6 was good. Granted, I didn't see the strength of 34...f4!, which not only interrupts Qg5+, but also turns ...Bxf2+! into a deadly counter attack by enabling ...Qg3+. However, now that I do see it, it seems that 35.Bxf4 scoops up a pawn and saddles black with an ugly king position.> You are right- 35. Bxf4! keeps an edge.

Using the link in my last post, Crafty playing Black continued against me: 34 Bh6 f4 35 Bxf4! f6 36 Bxd5+ Qxd5 37 Qc7 Rd7 38 Re8+ Kg7 39 Re7+ Rxe7 40 Qxe7+ Qf7

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Dreev-Fish Bh6 var 41? My first instinct was to exchange Queens but, surprisingly, Black's better King position appears to balance the Pawn deficit. I could not win the Bishop ending. I then tried the Queen ending, reached after 41 Bh6+ Kg6 42 Qe4+ Kxh6 43 Qxd4 Kg6. Crafty inexplicably then exchanged into a lost King and Pawn ending after 44 Qe4+ f5?

Crafty link to the diagram:

Nov-11-09  JG27Pyth: Dzechiel wrote:<I seriously doubt that I would have found the key move from today's position without the information that a winning move existed. I only considered 34 Bc3 out of desperation to find a move that I had been told existed. And even then I had to "force" myself to put a piece where it could be captured three different ways.>

Amen -- I found Bc3 usinge a combination of the cheezy way, and the classy way... the cheezy way is: "it's a puzzle, I'm going to sit here and find a winning move if it takes all night' ... the classy way: "let's analyze the position and see what there is to exploit"... this led to seeing that Qg5 check-forked Black's rook and this meant all I needed to do was get my bishop out of the way."

Buuuut, no full point for me because I failed to consider Be3. I thought his B would go desperado with Bxf2+

Nov-11-09  ComboKal: <David2009> Thanks for the link. Yet another great chess site that I've added to my favorites!
Nov-11-09  YouRang: <David2009><Using the link in my last post, Crafty playing Black continued against me: 34 Bh6 f4 35 Bxf4! f6 36 Bxd5+ Qxd5 37 Qc7 Rd7 38 Re8+ Kg7 39 Re7+ Rxe7 40 Qxe7+ Qf7 >

After 35...f6, you might try returning the bishop to h6: 36.Bh6 to set up nasty threats against the king in conjunction with Qc6 (hitting e8) or Re7.

Nov-11-09  WhenHarryMetSally: I think 20...........Qa4 was a big mistake by black. couldn't dig himself out of the hole after that
Nov-11-09  SufferingBruin: 1000 rating, trying to get higher.

White has the two bishops. Black has doubled pawns, one of which is for the taking. Development is even, though black's pieces are more advanced, albeit two are hanging (queen and bishop). White has major pieces on two open files. It's not clear who has the initiative. The board is as open as a national park.

And after noticing all of this, I'm still looking at all the damn pieces and trying to figure out moves. I keep waiting for the above information (Silman's list of imbalances) to suggest a move or a plan but I'm thrown by the fact that one move is all that is needed. I gave it a few minutes and decided on Bh6. I know it can't be that easy.

(Later) And it's not. The difference between the player I am and the player I want to become is this: the queen can attack both rook and king on the g5 square and I didn't see that as a possibility. In my defense, the bishop was in the way...:)

Nov-11-09  MaxxLange: <SufferingBruin> I'm rated 1675, and I totally missed the idea too. Since the Bishop was blocking the Queen from going to g5, I never asked what would happen if she went there.

Don't beat yourself up for not finding it, just learn from the pattern, and keep forging ahead.

The daily puzzles here have been getting more difficult over the last two years or so, also, in my impression. At 1000, you're now doing very well if you can get a Tuesday puzzle.

Nov-11-09  YouRang: <SufferingBruin> I'm unrated. Anyway, I did see the idea of Qg5 forking the king and rook, and that was my motivation for 34.Bh6 -- to get the bishop out of the way (and create mate threats along the way at g7 and along the back rank).

I had glanced at 34.Bc3, but only long enough to think: "that's no good; I'll win black's rook with Qg5+, but then black will get the rook back with ...Bxe1".

Obviously, I ignored the fact that after Qg5+, the black king cannot move to a square where he will not be in check when I take the rook. Either that, or he must play ...Bg7, which removes the threat on my Re1.

Not carrying an idea far enough has been a stumbling point for me in many, many puzzles. :-|

Nov-11-09  jitesh: How does white win after 35.Bxd5 ?
Nov-11-09  RandomVisitor: 3 minutes per move:

Alexey Dreev (2662) - Gannadij Fish (2508)

European Club Cup Ohrid MKD (4), 07.10.2009

[Rybka 3 ]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.g3 Nf6 7.Bg2 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Na4 Be7 11.Be3 Bg4 12.Rc1 Rc8 last book move

13.h3 0.09/16 Bh5 0.54/16
[Rybka 3 : 13...Bxf3 14.Bxf3 Qd7 15.Kg2 b6 16.Bd4 Nxd4 17.Qxd4 Qb5 18.Rfd1 Bc5 19.Qf4 Rfd8 20.Nxc5 bxc5 21.b3 h6= 0.09/16 ]

14.Nc5= 0.20/16
[Rybka 3 : 14.Nd4 Re8 15.Nc3 Bg6 16.Qa4 a6 17.a3 Nxd4 18.Bxd4 Ne4 19.Nxe4 Bxe4 20.Rfd1 Bg5 21.e3 Qe7 22.Bxe4 0.54/16 ]

14...b6 0.47/19
[Rybka 3 : 14...Bxc5 15.Rxc5 h6 16.Qb3 b6 17.Rcc1 Bxf3 18.exf3 d4 19.Rcd1 Qd7 20.f4 Na5= 0.20/16 ]

15.Nd3 0.25/17 d4 0.68/17
[Rybka 3 : 15...Bd6 16.Nf4 Bxf4 17.Bxf4 Qd7 18.g4 Bg6 19.Nd4 h5 20.Nxc6 Rxc6 21.Rxc6 Qxc6 22.g5 Ne4 23.Qd4 Qd7 24.Rc1 Qf5 25.Qe3= 0.25/17 ]

Nov-11-09  RandomVisitor: continued:

16.Bd2 0.37/17
[Rybka 3 : 16.Bg5 h6 17.Qa4 hxg5 18.Rxc6 Rxc6 19.Qxc6 g4 20.hxg4 Bxg4 21.Qa4 Bxf3 22.Bxf3 Qd7 23.Qxd7 Nxd7 24.Rd1 Rd8 25.Kg2 Bd6 26.Rh1 Nc5 27.Nb4 Na4 28.Nc6 0.68/17 ]

16...Qd7 0.55/15
[Rybka 3 : 16...Bg6 17.Qa4 Qd7 18.Rc4 a6 19.Rcc1 a5 20.Qb5 Bxd3 21.exd3 Bc5 22.a3 Ne5 23.Qxd7 Nfxd7 24.Ne1 Be7 25.Rxc8 Rxc8 26.f4 Nc6 27.Bd5 Nc5 28.Bc4 Na7 29.Rf2 0.37/17 ]

17.Qa4 0.37/16
[Rybka 3 : 17.Bf4 Bg6 18.Nfe5 Nxe5 19.Nxe5 Rxc1 20.Bxc1 Qe6 21.Nxg6 hxg6 22.Qxd4 Qxa2 23.Qc3 Rd8 24.Qc7 Kf8 25.e4 Qa5 26.Qb7 0.55/15 ]

17...Bxf3 0.48/20
18.exf3 0.37/18 Ne5 0.48/20
19.Qa6 0.48/20 Nxd3 0.48/19
20.Qxd3 0.35/17 Qa4 0.54/18
[Rybka 3 : 20...Rfd8 21.a3 Rxc1 22.Rxc1 Nd5 0.35/17 ]

21.a3 0.48/18 Nd7 0.77/20
[Rybka 3 : 21...Rfd8 22.Rfe1 Qd7 23.Rxc8 Rxc8 24.h4 Re8 25.Bf1 Bc5 26.Rxe8+ Nxe8 27.Kg2 g6 28.Qb5 Qe7 29.b4 Bd6 30.Qd5 0.48/18 ]

22.b4 0.77/18 Ne5 0.77/20
23.Qe2 0.77/18 Bf6 0.77/21
24.f4 0.60/19 d3 0.85/22
[Rybka 3 : 24...Ng6 25.Qd3 Qd7 26.Be4 Rxc1 27.Rxc1 Rc8 28.Bf5 Rxc1+ 29.Bxc1 Qd5 30.Be4 Qd7 31.Kg2 h6 0.60/19 ]

25.Qe4 0.85/21 Ng6 0.85/22
26.Rxc8 0.85/22 Rxc8 0.85/21
27.Qxd3 0.85/20 Rd8 0.85/20
28.Qe3 0.79/18 Ne7 0.85/19
29.g4 0.60/18 Nd5 0.84/18
[Rybka 3 : 29...h5 30.Bc3 Bxc3 31.Qxc3 hxg4 32.hxg4 Ng6 33.f5 Nf4 34.Qf3 Nxg2 35.Kxg2 a5 36.bxa5 bxa5 37.Re1 Qd4 38.Re7 Qd6 39.Qe3 Kf8 40.Re5 a4 0.60/18 ]

30.Qe1 0.33/17
[Rybka 3 : 30.Bxd5 Rxd5 31.Re1 h6 32.Bc3 Bxc3 33.Qxc3 Qd7 34.Qf3 a5 35.bxa5 Rxa5 36.Re3 Rc5 37.Kg2 Rc2 38.Re5 Qd4 39.Re8+ 0.84/18 ]

30...g6 0.63/19
[Rybka 3 : 30...Qxa3 31.g5 Bb2 32.Bxd5 Qd3 33.Bxf7+ Kxf7 34.Be3 Bc3 35.Qb1 Qxb1 36.Rxb1 Ke6 37.b5 g6 38.Rc1 Bg7 39.Rc7 Rd7 40.Rc6+ Kf5 41.Kg2 Bh8 42.Kf3 Bg7 43.Kg3 Bh8 0.33/17 ]

31.Qc1 0.63/17 Qb3 0.82/16
[Rybka 3 : 31...Qd7 32.Qc2 Nc7 33.Be3 Nd5 34.Bc1 Qd6 35.Qc4 b5 36.Qxb5 Nxf4 37.Be3 Bb2 38.Rb1 Bxa3 39.Bf1 Rb8 40.Bc5 Qe5 41.Qa6 Qe4 0.63/17 ]

32.Re1 0.52/15
[Rybka 3 : 32.Qc6 Kg7 33.Bc1 a5 34.bxa5 bxa5 35.Qc5 Qc3 36.Qb5 Nc7 37.Qc6 Qxc6 38.Bxc6 Ne6 39.Kg2 Rc8 40.Be4 0.82/16 ]

32...Bd4 1.04/18
[Rybka 3 : 32...h6 33.Qc6 Kg7 34.Bc1 0.52/15 ]

33.f5 0.90/16 gxf5? 5.04/16
[Rybka 3 : 33...Nc3 34.Kh2 a5 35.Bg5 f6 36.fxg6 hxg6 37.bxa5 bxa5 38.Bh4 Qf7 39.Bg3 a4 40.Qd2 f5 41.Kg1 Qf6 0.90/16 ]

34.Bc3 4.93/15 Be3 5.91/16
35.Bxd5 5.61/15 1-0

Nov-11-09  YouRang: <jitesh: How does white win after 35.Bxd5 ?>

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Black is down a bishop in this diagram, and can't recover it.

If 35...Rxd5?, 36.Qxe3 (threat: Qe8#) f6 37.Qe8+ Kg7 38.Re7+ Kh6 39.Qh5#

Exchanging queens just leads quickly to a lost endgame: 35...Bxc1 36.Bxb3 Bh6 37.gxf5 Rd3 (hoping to pin bishops) 38.Re8+ Bf8 39.Rc8

Nov-11-09  SufferingBruin: <MaxxLange><YouRang> Much obliged to you both.
Nov-12-09  jitesh: Thanks YouRang!!
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: To everyone who missed this puzzle - don't despair! This was a tough wednesday because the key motif (queen fork on g5) was pretty well hidden.

<SufferingBruin> I am not sure that Silman's imbalances will help here. Although they are an excellent tool for strategic planning, they are not so hot for spotting tactics.

Here's what I do in a real game. When my opponent's clock is running, I try to stop myself from analysing varations. After all, this could be totally wasted effort if he plays an unexpected next move! Instead, I look for strong and weak points in both my pieces and in my opponents. Which of my pieces would I like to improve? Where is my attack coming from? Which pieces do I want to swap off? Am I winning or losing? And the same for my opponent. That sort of fuzzy imprecise thinking.

And in this type of general thinking, you are allowed to move the pieces around in illegal ways - in your head at least. It's a bit like doodling or daydreaming. What would happen if I could hyperspace my queen to g5, ignoring my own bishop that is sitting in the way?

When we start a puzzle, we don't have the luxury of having seen the position unfold move by move. So while we have an advantage over the players cos we know it's a puzzle, we also have a big disadvantage. The players will have had much more time to build up their understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of the board.

So one way to start a puzzle is to imagine that you are in your opponent's time. Don't feel that you have to find a specific move straight away. Instead, look for strengths and weaknesses and daydream about fantasy moves.

In today's diagram, black's weak points include an exposed king and an unprotected rook. That ought to lead us eventually to Qg5+. And that in turn should point us to the need to move the bishop. And where to put it? The most aggressive move is to threaten mate or win of material, so how about Bc3 to stab at the black queen?

But having said all that, I still think that this was a toughie!

Nov-12-09  MaxxLange: I try to focus on just seeing the position, not even thinking about it, when my opponent goes into a long think. Look at every piece, and see all the squares it can move to.

It's easier to say than to do, though....

Nov-12-09  eblunt: < ComboKal: <eblunt> In his main line, <gofer> had played <34. ...f4>, not f6 as you have it. >

Gofer gave ♕c6 in both his 34 ... f6 and 34 ... f4 lines, and it wasn't clear which line his ♕c6 disaster referred to. Against 34 ... f6 ♕c6 is fine and clearly winning IMO, against 34 ... f4 White simply wins a pawn with 35. ♗xf4, and an clear pawn advantage, though by no means a clear win.

(all this refers to 34 Bh6 for the sake of clarity )

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