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Veselin Topalov vs Magnus Carlsen
Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009), Nanjing CHN, rd 7, Oct-05
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation Novosibirsk Variation (B33)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Oct-05-09  twinlark: Carlsen is rated 3 on FIDE ratings isn't he? However 2nd on liveratings.
Oct-05-09  reyjf: <Annie K.: <parmetd: <You know as far as a commentator team goes I think between Natalia, Seirawan and Short you'd have like the best commentary ever.>> Ha, that would be a panel reminiscent of the "Britain's Got Talent" judges... :D

But it might cost a bit to employ 3 commentators at the same time! ;)> Annie K, more money?, not really. You know everyone pays the women far less. CG would expect Natalia to comment for free. :)

Oct-05-09  reyjf: <Twinlark> Is that liver ratings or live ratings? :)
Oct-05-09  reyjf: <CG> Thank you, I'm sticking.
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  Lattas: Very fast game, I think :)
Oct-05-09  DeepTrouble: <A somewhat disappointing draw by the world's current #1 and 2 according to FIDE rating.>

Disappointing for Topalov, not Carlsen :) (I think Carlsen was content with a draw with the black pieces BEFORE the game started today). Carlsen is number two on the Live-ratings list, but number four on the official FIDE list.

Oct-05-09  twinlark: <reyjf>

Depends how often he plays with fried livers.

Oct-05-09  birthtimes: Very pragmatic strategy by Carlsen to play a defense he obviously has researched thoroughly, and has enough confidence in (ala Fischer's Najdorf), to nearly always guarantee him a draw in these types of tournament situations, especially against attacking opponents...and psychologically it must be extremely frustrating for Topalov to look over the board, BE 3 PAWNS UP, and know he's going to draw...somewhere Lasker himself is enjoying a good laugh...
Oct-05-09  cade: How was this game boring? You people are spoiled.
Oct-05-09  Eyal: <cade: How was this game boring? You people are spoiled.>

You have to bear in mind that until move 26 they were trotting out their preparation at blitz speed (and until move 20 it was a repetition of Shirov vs Carlsen, 2009) - so in a way the real game otb began only by that stage, when the position was already much simplified and rather clearly drawn. Not that I have special complaints myself, but one might have expected a bit more excitement from a game where Topalov - as White - had to win in order to preserve any realistic chances of catching up with Carlsen.

Oct-05-09  geigermuller: Does this mean Carlsen cannot be caught in this tourney?
Oct-05-09  whatthefat: I actually thought it was quite a nice game. It was worth testing Carlsen's preparation in such a sharp line, especially after his earlier disaster: Shirov vs Carlsen, 2009

Meanwhile, Topalov was wise not to follow in his second's footsteps: I Cheparinov vs Carlsen, 2005 :)

Oct-05-09  whatthefat: <geigermuller>

No, there are 3 rounds to go, and he leads by only(!) 2 points.

Oct-05-09  percyblakeney: No one would have complained if they had played slowly on move 20-26 :-) Carlsen was well prepared today and especially in this tournament situation this was a good game for him.
Oct-05-09  zarg: Seems like Carlsen put on the cruise control here, and secured the tourney win. 75% score against Topalov and Leko is rather good, Wang next!
Oct-05-09  Eyal: Btw, according to the databases the first new move in this game was 21...exd3 (though the home analysis of both players obviously went several moves beyond that). A game Koeller,O-Schelle,A/Aschach 1998 went 21...Bd7 22.Be2 Rxb2 23.Rc7 Qd6 and now White could have gotten a winning advantage with 24.Rxd7! Qxd7 25.Bb5 Rxb5 26.Nxb5. The middlegame phase of this line, which in a sense was "skipped over" in this game, is full of tactical traps for both sides - for example, White would have liked to continue his attack with 23.Qg3, but unfortunately it loses to 23...Qxf1+! 24.Kxf1 d2.
Oct-05-09  Keith Dow: So why did Topalov use the inferior 21. Rc1
over 21. b3?
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  ajk68: Why not 21...Qf6, ?
Oct-05-09  goldenbear: <ajk68> I don't know why not 21.Qf6. Is Rxc6 Qxc6 Bb5 any good there for White?
Oct-05-09  Eyal: <Keith Dow: So why did Topalov use the inferior 21. Rc1 over 21. b3?>

How do you know it's inferior? Shirov won with 21.b3, but it wasn't a forced win - many improvements were found there for Black (some of them are mentioned in the kibitzing on that game page).

Oct-05-09  shintaro go: No surprise that Carlsen chose a famous drawing weapon to protect his lead.
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  HeMateMe: How does an opening get named after siberia? Did the Gulag prisoners develop this system? <shintaro go> I doubt MC has to take a day off and look for draws. He wouldn't have played this system if he hadn't prepared an improvement somewhere down the line. Maybe it was Topalov that veered off theory before Carlsen, and the game took a path without much bite. But judging by the previous games, I don't think Magnus has an off switch. If anyone would like to walk out with a quick half point, it will be the older players he goes up against.
Oct-06-09  Pjalle: <HeMateMe> I don't think MC would have been able to win with this opening unless Topa had made a mistake which he didn't.

I believe MC was intending to draw this from the start. The two draws against Leko and Topa were excellent results for him, no need to attempt anything stupid and reckless.

However, I do believe he will play for a win in all of the remaining games, also against Radja were he plays black.

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  HeMateMe: I think older players, married, with a mortgage to pay, whould do it your way. MC is but 19. I think he wants to defeat the biggest names, and do it as quick as possible. if he was playing for draws, why work with Kasparov?
Oct-08-09  Keith Dow: Dear Eyal: <Keith Dow: So why did Topalov use the inferior 21. Rc1 over 21. b3?> How do you know it's inferior? Shirov won with 21.b3, but it wasn't a forced win - many improvements were found there for Black (some of them are mentioned in the kibitzing on that game page).


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