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| Jan-30-09 | | sergeidave: Wow! Dominguez won vs Aronian!?? Congrats!! Capablanca would be very proud of his countryman. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <After 25...Re6 26.Rc1 Rg6+ 27.Kf1 Qc8 28.Bxc5! Qh3 (I suppose that's the idea of Qc8) 29.Qe2 Black just gave up the c-pawn and his attack doesn't seem to go anywhere. > 28...Qh3+ comes with check, so White can't reply with 29 Qe2. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | messachess: <Dominguez was very well prepared here> True, but Aronian missed the two-mover after 20...Bxg2. Pretty amazing. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Eyal: <<After 25...Re6 26.Rc1 Rg6+ 27.Kf1 Qc8 28.Bxc5! Qh3 (I suppose that's the idea of Qc8) 29.Qe2 Black just gave up the c-pawn and his attack doesn't seem to go anywhere. > 28...Qh3+ comes with check, so White can't reply with 29 Qe2.> Should be 27.Kh1, of course; 27.Kf1?? doesn't make sense anyway because it loses to 27...Qb5+. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <<<After 25...Re6 26.Rc1 Rg6+ 27.Kf1 Qc8 28.Bxc5! Qh3 (I suppose that's the idea of Qc8) 29.Qe2 Black just gave up the c-pawn and his attack doesn't seem to go anywhere. > 28...Qh3+ comes with check, so White can't reply with 29 Qe2.> Should be 27.Kh1, of course; 27.Kf1?? doesn't make sense anyway because it loses to 27...Qb5+.> On 27 Kh1 Black does not play 27...Qc8 but attacks the King by 27... Rh6 or 27..Rf6 instead. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Eyal: <After the game white revealed that he had the position after 23.Be3 analyzed at home> I'd be really curious to know what he had in mind in case of <16...Ba8> (instead of Bb7), with the idea 17.Ba7 c5 to be followed by Qc7 (or 18.exd6 Bxd6 19.b4 Qh4) Btw, Aronian didn't have anything better than Bxg2 at move 20; the real crossroads came a move earlier, when he could have played 19...c5 with the likely continuation 20.Be5 Bxe5 21.Rxe5 Bxg2. It's very unlikely that he missed the "two-mover" tactics with Rxe8, otherwise he would probably have played 19...Bxg2? immediately, after which White has 20.Rxe8! followed by Qg4 |
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| Jan-30-09 | | karoaper: Thanks Eyal! |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jafar219: Leinier kick Aronian`s @#$%ing ass |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Eyal: <<<<After 25...Re6 26.Rc1 Rg6+ 27.Kf1 Qc8 28.Bxc5! Qh3 (I suppose that's the idea of Qc8) 29.Qe2 Black just gave up the c-pawn and his attack doesn't seem to go anywhere. > 28...Qh3+ comes with check, so White can't reply with 29 Qe2.> Should be 27.Kh1, of course; 27.Kf1?? doesn't make sense anyway because it loses to 27...Qb5+.> On 27 Kh1 Black does not play 27...Qc8 but attacks the King by 27... Rh6 or 27..Rf6 instead.> It doesn't make any real difference. 27...Rh6 loses to 28.Bxc5! (Bg1 is ok too, but this is even stronger) 28...Rxh2+ 29.Kg1, e.g. 29...Rh6 30.Bxd6 Rxd6 31.Rxc6 Rxd1+ 32.Kf2 h5 (or any other move to defend against the mate threat on c8) 33.Rxa6; 27... Rf6 loses to 28.Nxc5! Rxf3
29. Ne4. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | karoaper: Jafar, do I see a "Cubans smashing Armenians" collection in the works? How you manage to have such a presence here and have the time to imprison a princess is beyond me. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jafar219: <karoaper> @#$% off |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jim Bartle: Glad you deleted that earlier insult, Jafar. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jafar219: <Jim Bartle:> Actually I am kind person :) |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jim Bartle: Good to hear. |
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| Jan-30-09 | | karoaper: <Jafar219: <Jim Bartle:> Actually I am kind person :)> Dude, I don't know about kind, but you look psychotic. http://images.politico.com/global/j...
Nice bird by the way. Cheers!! |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Jafar219: <karoaper:you look psychotic> You are the second user who thinks so.The first one was acirce :) |
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| Jan-30-09 | | Whack8888: Wow, I left this game at about 17...Qa8 and I thought Aronian had a fine position and would either draw or win. I am so surprised. This has been a good Corus, with all of the players putting up good fights etc. etc. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ladolcevita: Capablanca II....
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ulhumbrus: After 25...Re6 26.Rc1 Rg6+ 27.Kf1 Qc8 28.Bxc5! Qh3 (I suppose that's the idea of Qc8) 29.Qe2 Black just gave up the c-pawn and his attack doesn't seem to go anywhere. > 28...Qh3+ comes with check, so White can't reply with 29 Qe2.> Should be 27.Kh1, of course; 27.Kf1?? doesn't make sense anyway because it loses to 27...Qb5+.> On 27 Kh1 Black does not play 27...Qc8 but attacks the King by 27... Rh6 or 27..Rf6 instead.>
<It doesn't make any real difference. 27...Rh6 loses to 28.Bxc5! (Bg1 is ok too, but this is even stronger) 28...Rxh2+ 29.Kg1, e.g. 29...Rh6 30.Bxd6 Rxd6 31.Rxc6 Rxd1+ 32.Kf2 h5 (or any other move to defend against the mate threat on c8) 33.Rxa6; 27... Rf6 loses to 28.Nxc5! Rxf3 29. Ne4.> On 27... Rf6 28 Nxc5 Rxf3 29 Ne4 Qxe4 30 Rc8+ Black has 30...Bf8 |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: <On 27... Rf6 28 Nxc5 Rxf3 29 Ne4 Qxe4 30 Rc8+ Black has 30...Bf8> And White has 31.Rxf8+ Kxf8 32.Qd8+ with mate. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Atking: <14...c5 was played in the only previous, amateur game I could find with this position.> Shipov on Chess Base. Isn't 15.exd Bxd6 (15...Qxd6 16.Qf3) 16.Bxc5! recovers the pawn with initiative? |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: <Atking: <14...c5 was played in the only previous, amateur game I could find with this position.> Shipov on Chess Base. Isn't 15.exd Bxd6 (15...Qxd6 16.Qf3) 16.Bxc5! recovers the pawn with initiative?> Yeah, so maybe 15...Qxd6 is the better move - 16.Qf3 Qd7 looks a bit awkward for Black, but maybe it's not that terrible e.g. after 17.Bf4 Rb6 18.Rad1 Qa7 and Black does have an extra pawn with nothing immediate for White. But as I mentioned a few posts ago, it seems that even after 14...Be6, Black should be fine with 16...Ba8. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: Btw, in his press conference (http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/c...) Dominguez is asked toward the end about 14...c5 (he thought 14.Bd5 was a novelty, and is told that it was already played in one game where Black replied with this move) - mentioning 15.exd6 Bxd6 as refuted by 16.Bxc5, and 15...Qxd6 as what Black should play, though he thinks it's still "nice for White". He doesn't say anything about 16...Ba8, though... |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <And White has 31.Rxf8+ Kxf8 32.Qd8+ with mate.> For on 32...Qe8 White has Bd6+. It looks as if White's attack on c5 develops too quickly after 25..Re6. If that is the case, Black may have to try 25...Re5. |
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