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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
"Bonn Fire" (game of the day Mar-26-2018)
Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008), Bonn GER, rd 5, Oct-20
Semi-Slav Defense: Meran. Blumenfeld Variation (D49)  ·  0-1

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Jan-02-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: Maneuvering the knight to d2 is much too slow. Fortunately, there's something better ...
Jan-02-19  SamAtoms1980: 34....Ne3 35.fxe3 fxe3 is the ballgame.

Feels like it was more than 10 years ago. An oasis between the dark ages of the split title and the Doldrums of Draw.

Jan-02-19
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  Dionysius1: Hi <offramp>. Sorry to be obscure there, I thought it was a quiz type question.

I don't see the point of excluding rapids from the answer - within WCCs they're still the very epitome of stress, and it probably takes just as much bxlls to sacrifice when you've got much less time to work out the consequences as when you're playing classical games.

But in the classical zone in WCCs, I think you are probably right!

Jan-02-19  Cibator: Hmmm. Is .... Ne3 as winning move by Black going to be a continuing theme in this week's puzzles?
Jan-02-19  landshark: Boy was I out in left field on this one - stared at it forever trying to make .... Nxh2 work. Never saw the obvious follow up to ... Ne3. Yikes!!
Jan-02-19  cormier: 18. Rfc1? <<18.a4> f4 19.Bh4 Qc5 20.Kh1 Qh5 21.Rfc1 Rb8 22.Bc6 Bxc6 + / = +0.80 (31 ply)>
Dec-11-19  JohnBoy: <devere>’s “ 29.Nxd4?? blundered away an equal position. I suppose Kramnik missed 30...Nf6!” is pathetic. Anand saw slightly further, to the final position. watching this game live was a thrill, and 34...Ne3 was a lovely shock.
Dec-11-19  JohnBoy: Another loser comment is <cormier>'s "18.Rfc1?" above. Any diptish can copy/paste the computer line available to us all. This whole game was a magnificent battle.
Jul-03-20  thegoodanarchist: < devere: "Bonn Fire" doesn't quite describe this game. How about "Lemon Meran Kramnik"? >

I prefer "Schach and Awe", based on the banner shown here:

Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

Nov-24-20  Ironmanth: Jeez, what a great game! Wishing all a safe, sane, and chess-filled holiday season.
Mar-24-22  Chesgambit: Nxd4 was losing move
Mar-15-25  condor: How far did black have to calculate?
Jul-03-25
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  Sally Simpson: <Chesgambit>

"Nxd4 was losing move."

I would never drop a '?' on that move. I'm pretty sure I would never have spotted 34...Ne3. I would have gone for...


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30...Qe4

And hope for 31 Rxd7+ Kf6 and Rxb7 then Rc1+, Bf1, Rxf1+ and Qb1+ with a per-perch.

If White tries to avoid it there is a neat mate in there.


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1.Ke2 Qc2+ 2.Kf3 Qd3+ 3. Kxf4 e5 mate. (and that is how I would have lost this game as White.)

One wonders when did Anand see 34...Ne3. Did he see it before Kramnik played 29.Nxd4.
You can spot it when it appears on the board but to see it coming a few moves back (Kramnik obviously didn't) is chess at a higher level.

Jul-03-25
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  saffuna: Thanks, <Sally>.
Jul-04-25
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  Sally Simpson: CHESS magazine December 2008 is dedicated to the whole match. There is an interview by Anand inside (which I cannot recall reading - but I can see back then I've heavily ticked 34...Ne3 and written on the cover 'Anand game P.12' )
Anand is asked about 34...Ne3 and when did he see it.

Anand says he saw the idea when playing 25...Qe5


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(...and when he played 34...Ne3 Kramnik was stunned.)

Hmmm... I know I said that Ne3 is chess on a higher level but let's not get too carried away.

I've always liked Anand, I do not think he would ever upset me or incur my wrath.
I do not mind Kramnik, he is OK in small doses but of late he has crossed a line so I'm currently firing shots at him with a pea shooter. I'd use heavier artillery but he may be unwell.

However in this instance Anand is obviously mistaken (Kramnik would be lying - Anand mistaken, see how it goes.)
There is nothing in that previous diagram, no sign post to indicate the Ne3 shot was in the wind.

This aspect of the game is all about pattern recognition. I've played 1,000's of combinations but none have been original, I have picked up the idea from somewhere.
Anand is a much better player than me but I am good and I, like other good players can usually trace the how and the why and spot the when.

Here after 28...Rc3


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NOW! with a good dollop of hindsight you can see it coming. Although I would never have seen it till after 33...Rc1+ having dismissed this line as totally losing and gone for the, easy to avoid, perpetual cheapo.
Now, thanks to this game I would 'hopefully' see the Ne3 idea. It was new to me, that is why I raved on about it.

I cannot sniff it at move 25, Anand says he did, I say he is mistaken...The interviewer, Hartmut Metz also has one apprehensive foot in my camp.

"That sounds incredible! Seeing a combination a dozen moves ahead."

Anand: "I pondered for a minute...Gosh I have this move Ne3..." (A minute...)

The Interviewer is still not convinced.

"In the press room some grand masters couldn't recall a similar idea. Are you aware of any precedent for it?" (the pattern recognition part which you must have if seeing an idea so many moves in advance....How will Anand answer?)

Anand: 'Actually I'm not, (there you are...No!) when it came up on the board I quickly identified it.'
(now we are getting closer to reality - '...when it came up on the board.')

Next question;

"Before you played 34...Ne3 you seemed to be rather nervous and hesitant."

Anand replies here he was surprised Kramnik missed it. (Both Me and Mr. Metz are surprised Anand saw it back on move 25) and was double checking it.

Anand is still OK in my book. A bit of gilding the lily is fair enough, no real harm done, Alekhine often did it.

Jul-04-25  fabelhaft: <I would never drop a '?' on that move. I'm pretty sure I would never have spotted 34...Ne3>

But on World Championship level I’d say it deserves a ”?”. The position goes from equal to lost in one move, and Anand found it without having to spend all that much time.

<One wonders when did Anand see 34...Ne3. Did he see it before Kramnik played 29.Nxd4>

If he hadn’t seen it he would just have played into a lost position when allowing Nxd4.

<Anand is obviously mistaken>

I don’t think it’s obvious… At least he played as if he had seen the idea.

Jul-04-25
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  Sally Simpson: <Hi fabelhaft>

Remember I only saw the interview after my first post. So staying within the interview.

My reasoning - though I can see how lopsided it is. I reckon Anand saw it whilst waiting for Kramnik to play 29.Nxd4.

Kramnik obviously never saw it - who would as White thinking you are winning.

It is a tough spot, but looking at it again, it is a miscalculation so a reluctant ? with a ! to highlight it is a no wonder he missed what was coming.
This is not a face slap blunder. No wonder Kramnik was stunned..

It has (IMO) all the making a rare chance combo brilliantly spotted by Anand.
He had his back to the wall and firing on all pistons.
In his other two wins from this match, all relaxed and cozy Anand missed two quicker wins much easier to see than Ne3 moves, making the games last longer.

Of course, if he says he saw it on move 25, then he saw on move 25. (in a minute) I think he saw it on move 29. But I suppose because who he is who he is and I am who I am I'll have to give him the benefit of doubt...but still think he is mistaken.

Jul-04-25  Olavi: The psychological trap for Kramnik is clear, I think. Since around move 27 I'd guess he thought he was better, the position has clarified somewhat, but obviously couldn't know how much better; and the evaluation of the ending after 34...Nxh2 is not so clear (can Black perhaps save it), he must have thought that it is the logical outcome of the (minor) complications. He played 29.Nxd4?? in one minute, while having 15 on the clock.
Jul-04-25  stone free or die: Speaking of move 27...

If Kramnik thought 29.Nxd4 was good, why didn't he play it earlier, say 27.Nxd4 ... ?

I suppose he waited for the Black rook to get off the back rank to allow Qg8 sometime after ...Ne5 for the case where Black doesn't take the knight with the queen.

Jul-04-25  Olavi: <stone free or die> <: Speaking of move 27... If Kramnik thought 29.Nxd4 was good, why didn't he play it earlier, say 27.Nxd4>

To that P.H. Nielsen provides a plausible explanation in NIC 8/2008: he may have feared 27...Rc5 "as White's way to keep an advantage is inhuman to put it mildly: 28.Rd1 Rg5 29.Nf5+ Kf8 30.Qxf4 exf5 31.Rxd7 Bxg2 32.Rd3!!, and White puts his rook on g3, his bishop on f1 (...)"

I'll check shortly how the whole matter is presented in Michiel Abeln's book The Anand Files.

Jul-04-25  Olavi: It is slightly different in the 2019 book.

It is stated that Anand saw the Ne3 trick when playing 25...Qe5.

"Kramnik explained that he rejected 27.Nxd4?? because of 27...Ne5?? (...) '27.a5 was possible, just to push my a-pawn'".

And: "If I don't play 29.Nxd4 then the position is very complicated but probably pretty good for Black".

Jul-04-25
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  Sally Simpson: Hi boys,

I was close to deleting everything I had written and just let it run with Anand said he saw it back on move 25.
I knew it would make me look like a smart alec or a dummy.

But post and be damned if you really think you are right...of even if you think you are just a little bit right and if you are wrong, it will not be the first or last time. (so post it anyway)

I got the times per move https://www.chess.com/events/2008-a... Anand took 90 seconds on 25...Qe5 and yet another 90 seconds to play 32...Kf6 when Kramnik was in the net.
But I do not trust these times as they appear to round up or down to the nearest 30 seconds. (there was no increment till move 61.)

Jul-04-25
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  Sally Simpson: Just saw your post <Olavi> another shout for move 25. Or was that based on the 2008 interview.
Jul-05-25  Olavi: <Sally Simpson> Those Kramnik quotes are clearly from the post game press conference, even if that's not explicitly stated; there are many more of them in the game(s), also from Anand.

Nielsen wrote about his man seeing Ne3 on move 25 back then in 2008 in NIC, it's then reproduced with different words in 2019 - but just as "Here Anand spotted the trick he used ten moves later in the game." No attribution, so it's possible Anand told this only to his seconds, not to the press...

But let's not overdramatize this. Given that he wanted to play Qe5, it doesn't take an Anand to see 26.Nf3 Df6 27.Nxd4 with the X-ray to d7. After that everything is completely forced until Rc1+ Bf1 and certainly calculable for minor masters... in the game it was just delayed by two moves.

Yes, I am convincing myself - about the psychological trap for Kramnik that I suggested above.

Jul-05-25
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Olavi,

That is two sources, his second and Hartmut Metz , who as I mentioned was also, not sceptical, but surprised enough to keep asking about it.

I always knew Anand was good and had brilliant patches but to spot - nay, invent OTB a pattern or idea nobody, including Anand, has seen before 11 moves in advance in two minutes is unbelievable. (I'm now using that term as praise.)

I wish I had read the interview in 2008 instead of fawning over the game. We could have had this discussion in January 2009.

Good job this was an OTB game, if anyone has sprung Ne3 on Kramnik on Titled Tuesday...

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