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Magnus Carlsen vs Etienne Bacrot
41st Biel International Chess Festival (2008), Biel SUI, rd 3, Jul-22
Semi-Slav Defense: General (D43)  ·  1-0

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Jul-22-08  malthrope: <tamar: <I think Alekhine married 4 times> Ah yes the famous four queens game.>

~LOL~ :^)

Jul-22-08  DukeAlba: I think that in Carlsen we all see a player who will be a world champion, and sooner rather than later. In my opinion, Norway will have its own World Champion within the next 2 years. Carlsen just seems to grind out win after win against great players...
Jul-22-08  Ulhumbrus: On 31...Rxe1 White wins a Rook because White can give the intermediate fork 32 Qc7+ Kh8 and then capture Black's QR with check by 33 Qxd8+ before he recaptures the Rook on e1.
Jul-22-08  notyetagm: <DukeAlba: I think that in Carlsen we all see a player who will be a world champion, and sooner rather than later. In my opinion, Norway will have its own World Champion within the next 2 years. Carlsen just seems to grind out win after win against great players...>

Yes, Carlsen reminds me of Fischer: he just -ALWAYS- finds a way to win.

Carlsen/Fischer will grind you down in a long endgame, or win material with a fine combination, or queen a pawn, or punch home a kingside attack as in this game against the hapless Bacrot.

Carlsen and Fischer simply win, with either the Black or White pieces.

Just incredible.

Jul-22-08  notyetagm: Position after 31 ♕c1xc6 1-0


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<Ulhumbrus: On 31...Rxe1 White wins a Rook because White can give the intermediate fork 32 Qc7+ Kh8 and then capture Black's QR with check by 33 Qxd8+ before he recaptures the Rook on e1.>


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Jul-22-08
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  alexmagnus: <Do you increase your FIDE rating if you beat an opponent with a rating 80 points below yours?> You increase it even if you beat someone 800 points below you :) Rating points differences are just scoring probabilities - if one scores above those expected scores, one gains points.
Jul-22-08  Marmot PFL: < alexmagnus> They count it as a difference of only 350 points, one of the ways ratings get inflated.
Jul-22-08
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  alexmagnus: Ratings don't get inflated, as what the higher rated player "unjustly" gains, the lower rated one loses just as unjustly.
Jul-22-08  Discerning King: 20. g4!! Whew... talk about taking advantage of your Initiative.
Jul-22-08  Marmot PFL: <alexmagnus> Players that gain rating points tend to keep playing however, while those who are losing are more likely to quit and do something else, taking their lower ratings out of the pool. At any rate the average ratings of the top players are consistently rising. In no way does a 2700 rating mean what it used to as far as being one of the world's best players.
Jul-22-08  Ulhumbrus: On 25...Nd6 Black may gain the advantage. One variation is 25..Nd6 26 Nxd5 Qxg4 27 Nxe5 fxe6 28 Qc7+ Ka8 and Black's e6 pawn attacks the Nd5 which defends the f4 pawn.
Jul-22-08  Bobsterman3000: Maybe 18...Rhe8 would have been better. Bacrot had all day to play Nc4.

Bacrot was caught with his rooks on worse squares when the fireworks started...

Jul-22-08
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  alexmagnus: Well, <marmot>, depends on a definition of "top players". If you take not top X but xth percentile, you actually get a falling picture and not a rising one, even if you dont take lowered rating floors into account.
Jul-22-08
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  alexmagnus: And, by the way, how often do you see:

1) a 2700 player playing against a player below 2350

2) that 2350- quitting. If you object you meant lower levels, then you are even wronger, as on lower levels many players improve!

Jul-22-08  Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 25...Nd6 Black may gain the advantage. One variation is 25..Nd6 26 Nxd5 Qxg4 27 Nxe6 fxe6 28 Qc7+ Ka8 and Black's e6 pawn attacks the Nd5 which defends the f4 pawn.>

An interesting alternative in this line is 27.Rxe6, and then in case of 27...fxe6 White can force a draw by 28.Na6+(!) bxa6 29.Qc7+ Ka8 30.Qc6+ Nb7 31.Nc7+ Kb8 32.Nxa6+ Ka8 33.Nc7+ etc. however, Black can also play 27...Qf5+ followed by 28...Qxd5 with advantage, apparently.

Jul-22-08  Ravelin: Hey, what happened in Black's 19th move? Why didn't Bacrot take the pawn on e3? Is it becase of 20. Rd3? He could've played 20. ... R(d/h)e8 and it seems comfortable. Or maybe was it something else?
Jul-22-08
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  AgentRgent: <41st Biel International Chess Festival 2008 · King's Pawn Game (C20) · 1-0 > Carlsen played so well he outplayed the ECO codes! ;-D
Jul-22-08  wanabe2000: I like the way Carlsen swung his knight over to the queenside with 14.Nd2 and 15.Nb3. He now has 5 pieces on the q-side for attack and the knights seem to close the deal in the end.
Jul-22-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 25...Nd6 Black may gain the advantage. One variation is 25..Nd6 26 Nxd5 Qxg4 27 Nxe6 fxe6 28 Qc7+ Ka8 and Black's e6 pawn attacks the Nd5 which defends the f4 pawn.> An interesting alternative in this line is 27.Rxe6, and then in case of 27...fxe6 White can force a draw by 28.Na6+(!) bxa6 29.Qc7+ Ka8 30.Qc6+ Nb7 31.Nc7+ Kb8 32.Nxa6+ Ka8 33.Nc7+ etc. however, Black can also play 27...Qf5+ followed by 28...Qxd5 with advantage, apparently.>

If 25...Nd6 is the right move, this suggests that Bacrot did not choose the right way to return the pawn.

With the benefit of hindsight, the move 25...Nxc5 makes at least two concessions. It deprives the N on c4 of the square d6 after the recapture dxc5, and it frees White's d pawn-by drawing it on to the square c5- to advance to c6 and so to attack the Black King.

Jul-22-08  notyetagm: <Marmot PFL: ... In no way does a 2700 rating mean what it used to as far as being one of the world's best players.>

Agreed.

I think that the most important measure is <WORLD RANKING> as that as invariant to any rating inflation or deflation.

Bacrot is a case in point. His rating is ~2690 but he is not anywhere near one of the world's best players.

Jul-22-08  notyetagm: Position after 15 ♘d2-b3


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<wanabe2000: I like the way Carlsen swung his knight over to the queenside with 14.Nd2 and 15.Nb3. He now has 5 pieces on the q-side for attack and the knights seem to close the deal in the end.>

Yes, Carlsen gradually built up an attack against the Black king, which crashed through with 30 c5-c6!.

Position after 30 c5-c6!


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And like you said, the White d5-knight played a crucial role in this winning king attack.

Jul-22-08  Operation Mindcrime: Why is this listed as a King's Pawn Game? Looks like a Semi-Slav or something of that sort to me. As for the game, fun, but marred by some errors..
Jul-22-08  notyetagm: <Operation Mindcrime: Why is this listed as a King's Pawn Game? Looks like a Semi-Slav or something of that sort to me. As for the game, fun, but marred by some errors..>

It's actually a Semi-Slav which became a Cambridge Springs which became a QGD Exchange variation.

Jul-22-08
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  alexmagnus: <nyagm> As I already said, when I say that rating doesn't inflate I mean it doesn't inflate concerning the <absolute> level of play, not the relative one. I.e., a 2700 player in 1000 years will play as good as a 2700 player today but will be ranked only millionth in the world hehe.
Jul-22-08  messachess: Hello everyone. Well, this was quite a game--a tactical slug-fest, and Bacrot got out-calculated. I wasn't aware that Bacrot is such an entertaining player.
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