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Veselin Topalov vs Magnus Carlsen
Morelia-Linares (2008), Morelia MEX, rd 5, Feb-20
Alekhine Defense: Modern. Larsen Variation Miles Line (B04)  ·  0-1



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Feb-22-08  notyetagm: <HrodHerich: Great win with black against an elite player. Go Carlsen!>

Wow, Magnus is such an incredibly strong chess player. This game is what it must have been like to watch Capablanca play.

Feb-22-08  Udit Narayan: Topalov was unlucky...:)
Feb-22-08  sallom89: why not 21.Rxd5 ? can anyone help explaining o.0
Feb-22-08  Atking: <sallom89: why not 21.Rxd5 ? can anyone help explaining o.0> You probably means 20.Rxd5. Then <Eyal> has already explained that very well up. Here a copy <to recap... 20.Rxd5 Rfd8 21.Rxd8+ (21.Rd2 Rac8! forces Rxd8+ because of the Rxc1+ threat) 21...Rxd8 and Black will regain his extra pawn, because White should develop his bishop here (otherwise the black rook invades the back rank): 22.Be3 (22.Kf1 Rd1+ 23.Ke2 Rh1 24.g3 Bh6 25.f4 Rxh2+ and Rh1 could decide a winning pawn ending. Or 22.g3 Rd1+ 23.Kg2 Re1 (Bd4&f5&Re2 or Kg8-Kc4-Kd3=Kc2. Indeed White is too passive) 22...Bxb2 23.Rb1 b6! So Topalov may have figured it's better to have Carlsen's extra pawn as an isolated central one rather than as part of a 2 vs. 1 queenside majority.>

Feb-22-08  pink gorilla: why doesn't topalov take the d5 pawn on move 20
Feb-22-08  sigfreud: "adic: Topalov had a bad day ,but he was a champion and will be again!!!!!"

to adic: not while carlsen, kramnik and anand are still alive. But maybe Danilov can take care of that small problem.

Feb-22-08  sallom89: <Atking> thanks , ill check it soon.
Feb-22-08  Eyal: An intrerview with Carlsen on ICC about the game - He talks about choosing a line where Topalov was not going to have a lot of preparation, and where White has to play sharply to have any chance for an advantage. At the end he promises Mig to try and make it look less easy next time.
Feb-23-08  Atking: 2 years ago I played this position in a Christmass tournament in Japan. The game was: 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 c6 (In the previous summer I won a game vs Mr Habu 5...Nd7 6.Nxf7!? KxNf7 8.c4 N5f6 9.d5+ Kd6 10.Qf7! Ne5 11.Bf4 c5! 12.Nc3 a6 13.0-0-0? g6! 14.Ne4+!!? (14.Re1 Bh6!! is an opening trap my opponent didn't know) 14...NxNe4 15.BxNe5+ KxBe5 16.d6!? Bh6+ 17.Kc2 Be6 (On 17...Bf5? 18.Rd5+ Kf4 19.g3+ Kf3 20.RxBf5+!)18.f4+ Bxf4 19.Qg7+ Nf6! 20.g3 Be3 21.Bh3 Rg8 0-1 But against my actual opponent I was pretty sure that he will chose the boring perpetual by 7.Qh5+ Ke6 8.Qg4+) 6.Bd3 (6.c4?! Nb4 7.a3 Qxd4!) 6...Nd7 7.NxNd7 BxNd7 8.0-0 g6 9.Nd2 Bg7 10.Nf3 (10.c3!? keeping the e4 square for the Knight looks to me better)10...0-0 11.Re1 Bg4 12.c3 c5! 13.dxc5 Nxc3 14.bxNc3 Bxc3 15.Bh6 BxRe1 16.QxBe1 QxBd3 17.Qxe7 Qc3 18.Qe5 (18.Rc1 Qb2 19.Qe5) 18...QxQe5 19.NxQe5 Be6 20.BxRf8 KxBf8 21.c6 bxc6 22.Nxc6 a5 23.a3! Bd5 24.Nd4 Rc8 25.Kf1?! Rc4 26.Rd1 Ra4 27.Nf3?! (27.Nc2 Bb3 28.Rd8+ Ke7 29.Rc8 Kd7 30.Rc3 BxNc2 31.RxBc2 Rxa3 Black is better)27...BxNf3 28.gxBf3 Rxa3 29.Rd8+ Ke7 30.Ra8 Ke6 31.Kg2 g5! 32.Rh8? Rc3 33.Rxh7 Rc8 34.Rh6+ f6 35.Rh7 Ra8 36.Rc7 a4 37.Rc2 a3 38.Ra2 Kd5 39.Kg3 Kc4 40.f4 Kb3 41.Ra1 Kb2 42.Re1 a2 43.fxg5 fxg5 44.Kg4 a1=Q 45.RxQa1 KxRa1 46.Kxg5 Ra2 47.h4 Rxf2 48.h5 and in a mutual time pressure we agreed a draw. Just after the game I showed to my opponent 44...Re8! 44.RxRe8 a1=Q 45.Re2+ Kc3 46.Kxg5 Qg1+ 47.Kf4 Qxh2+ and he jocked saying with a little more than 1mn on my clock he have some chance...
Feb-23-08  notyetagm: Black to play: 12 ... ?

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Carlsen's intended <RELOADER>: 12 ... c6-c5! 13 d4xc5? ♘d5xc3! 14 b2x♘c3 ♗g7xc3.

Position after 12 ... c6-c5!

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(VAR) Position after 13 d4xc5? ♘d5xc3!

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(VAR) Position after 14 b2x♘c3 ♗g7xc3 <reload on c3>

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Feb-28-08  dikankan: I'm thrilled by this game. I'm longing for a revival for my favourite opening, Alekhine's (or the "Accelerated Petroff" as I've been known to call it), and it shows how readily black can get a very pleasant position against sub-optimal white play.

Carlsen is already so good as well. His 40...g5 and 42...g4 was a crisp finish.

Mar-03-08  Whitehat1963: Four out of their seven games have yielded decisive results. And so far at Morelia-Linares, they've played the highest number of decisive games (6/10 each). This pairing would make for an excellent long match, of say 16 to 24 games in length. Won't happen, of course, but one can dream, right?
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  Richard Taylor: Carlsen plays best in relatively straight foreward positions with clear objectives (as did Fischer, Karpov and Capa etc) and it is interesting it can arise from the Alekhine's which is not so theory bound as the Najdorf. 1 e4 Nf6 2 Nc3 d5 and then either 3 e5 or 3 exd5 etc are harder to handle as are some lines after 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 c4 or 4 Bc4
Apr-07-08  The Chess Express: I'd like to see how Carlsen would handle the four pawns attack.
May-09-08  acirce: Carlsen <wasn't proud of his two wins against Topalov, "because I was not playing Topalov". Carlsen's win in Morelia must have been one of his easiest wins against a top grandmaster ever.> (New in Chess 2008/3)
Aug-07-09  LoveThatJoker: This would make for a good Monday/Tuesday puzzle after 44. g5??


Aug-07-09  ounos: So why not 25. Rad1 ?
Dec-16-10  Wyatt Gwyon: "Another way of looking at the position (after black's 12...c5!) is that a 2700 player with White is fighting for survival after only 12 moves!"

--Timothy Taylor

Mar-27-12  notyetagm: Game Collection: LINE-OPENING SACS: GETTING AT WEAKNESSES (LATE)

Topalov vs Carlsen, 2008 Position after 12 ... c6-c5!

Jun-01-16  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini:

1. (-#38): 44...Rxe1+ 45.Kxe1 Kxd3 46.Kf2 Kc2 47.g6 Bf8 48.g7 Bxg7 49.a5 d3 50.a6 d2 51.Kf3 d1Q+ 52.Kxf4 Qf1+ 53.Kg5 Qxa6 54.Kh5 Qf6 55.Kg4 Qg6+ 56.Kf4 Bh6+ 57.Ke5 Bf8 58.b4 Bg7+ 59.Kf4 Kd3 60.g4 Qh6+ 61.Kf3 Be5 62.Kf2 Qh2+ 63.Kf1 Bd4 64.b5

Jun-01-16  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini d 29

1. (-0.91): 24...Rc7 25.Bf4 Rc2 26.Rd2 Rac8 27.Rad1 g5 28.Bg3 Rxd2 29.Rxd2 f5 30.f4 Re8 31.fxg5 hxg5 32.Bd6 b6 33.Rf2 d3 34.Rd2 Kf7 35.Rxd3 Rd8 36.Rd2 Be5 37.Bb4 Rxd2 38.Bxd2 Kg6 39.Ke2 Bxb2 40.Kf3 Be5 41.h3 Bd4 42.g3 b5 43.Bb4 Kf6 44.h4 g4+ 45.Ke2 )

Jun-01-16  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini

24.Rad1 Rad8 25.g4 Rd5 26.h4 Kh7 27.f3 b6 28.a3 Bf6 29.Bf2 d3 30.Kg2 h5 31.g5 Be5 32.Be3 R5d7 33.f4 Bh8 34.Kf3 f6 35.Bf2 Bg7 36.Be3 Bh8 37.Bf2 (-0.67) Depth: 29/57 00:50:23 4025mN

Jun-01-16  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini d 26:

1. (-0.36): 17.g3 Qb6 18.Qxb6 Bxb6 19.Bh6 Rfc8 20.Re2 Rc7 21.Rd1 Rd7 22.a3 Rad8 23.Rdd2 Bc5 24.h4 b6 25.Bg5 Rc8 26.h5 gxh5 27.Bxh5 Kg7 28.Kg2 Rcc7 29.Rc2 h6 30.Bc1 a5 31.Bf3 Bd4 32.Be4 b5 33.Re1

2. (-0.41): 17.Re2 Qb6 18.Qxb6 axb6 19.Rd2 Bf6 20.Bxd5 exd5 21.Rxd5 Rfd8 22.Rxd8+ Rxd8 23.Be3 Ra8 24.Bc1 b5 25.g4 Kg7 26.Kg2 b4 27.a3 Rc8 28.axb4 Rc2 29.Kf3 Bd4 30.Be3 Bxe3 31.Kxe3 Rxb2 32.Ra7 Rxb4 33.f4 Rb2 34.h3

Jun-01-16  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini :

15.h3 Bxf3 16.Qxf3 Rc8 17.Re2 b6 18.Bxd5 Qxd5 19.Qxd5 exd5 20.Be3 Rfe8 21.Kf1 f5 22.g3 Bf6 23.h4 Kf7 24.Rd1 Re4 25.Rd3 b5 26.Rdd2 a5 27.f3 Re7 28.Bf4 Rc4 29.Rxe7+ Kxe7 30.Be3 Ke6 31.Kg2 Kf7 32.Re2 (-0.26) Depth: 30/66 00:51:33 4463mN

Nov-01-19  Cobax12: Strong Magnus Carlsen
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