| Feb-17-08 | | Microdot: Oh my God, I hate this type of game; |
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| Feb-17-08 | | Davolni: It's ok <Microdot>. I think Aronian will benefit out of it. It'll be a day & a half rest day for him to face Ivanchuk with blacks. :) |
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| Feb-18-08 | | The Chess Express: SNOOZE ALERT! |
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| Feb-18-08 | | ahmadov: <Microdot: Oh my God, I hate this type of game> Me too, but what we can do? They decided to draw this time... |
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| Feb-18-08 | | acirce: <Oh my God, I hate this type of game> Why? What did it do to you?
A game like this is considerably more interesting than no game at all. Why would a chess fan "hate" a well-played game of chess between two of the world's best players? |
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| Feb-18-08 | | Ulhumbrus: On 19 Nb6 (instead of 19 Nxe7) 19...Rab8 20 Nxc8 Rfxc8 21 Bxb7 Rxc4 22 Bxa6 Rxb1 23 Rxb1 ( not 23 Bxc4?? Nf3+! 24 Kg2 Rxf1 25 Kxf1 Nd2+ forking the King and Bishop) 23...Ra4 24 Bf1 Rxa2 wins a pawn |
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| Feb-18-08 | | The Chess Express: There should be a 40 move draw rule. |
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| Feb-18-08 | | DUS: <A game like this is considerably more interesting than no game at all.> A sentence like this is considerably more interesting than no sentence at all. |
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| Feb-18-08 | | nikolajewitsch: <DUS: <A game like this is considerably more interesting than no game at all.> A sentence like this is considerably more interesting than no sentence at all.> Couldn't agree more. |
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| Feb-18-08 | | Microdot: The quality of game was ok, I mean the short draw.
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| Feb-18-08 | | Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 19 Nb6 (instead of 19 Nxe7) 19...Rab8 20 Nxc8 Rfxc8 21 Bxb7 Rxc4 22 Bxa6 Rxb1 23 Rxb1 ( not 23 Bxc4?? Nf3+! 24 Kg2 Rxf1 25 Kxf1 Nd2+ forking the King and Bishop) ... wins a pawn> Why should White play 25.Kxf1?? After 25.Bxf1 he's perfectly fine. |
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| Feb-19-08 | | notyetagm: Black to play: 14 ... ?
click for larger viewHere Radjabov (Black) played the tactical blow 14 ... ♘g4xe3!, in order to setup a <RELOADER> with <CHECK> two moves later. Position after 14 ... ♘g4xe3!
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<Bad for White is 15.fxe3 Nxd4 16.exd4 Bxd4+ 17.Kh1 Bxc3.> (VAR) Position after 15 f2x♘e3 ♘c6x♘d4 16 e3x♘d4 ♗g7x♘d4+ <reload on d4 with check>
click for larger view(VAR) Position after 17 ♔g1-h1 ♗d4x♘c3
click for larger viewand Black has won -two- pawns instead of one.
This variation shows the point of the brilliant 14 ... ♘g4xe3! 15 f2x♘e3?: by dragging the White f2-pawn to the e3-square the Black g7-bishop's capture of the White d4-knight (16 ... ♗g7x♘d4+) comes with <CHECK> so that White does not have time to save his <UNDEFENDED> White c3-knight. That is, ... ♗g7x♘d4 would -not- be <CHECK> if the White f2-pawn were still on f2. Black thus gets his sacrificed piece back, and profits by an -extra- pawn. |
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| Feb-19-08 | | notyetagm: I once saw Paul Keres play the exact same type of sacrifice as Radjabov's 14 ... ♘g4xe3!, in one of the two volumes of Keres' best games edited by Nunn. Keres had White and played the mirror ♘,♗xe6! sacrifice to setup a <RELOADER> with <CHECK> on d5, just like Radjabov did. <<Does any Keres fan know which Keres game I am talking about?>> I seem to recall it was a miniature or near miniature and I think it may have been against the Petroff defense. Thanks
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| Feb-20-08 | | Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 19 Nb6 (instead of 19 Nxe7) 19...Rab8 20 Nxc8 Rfxc8 21 Bxb7 Rxc4 22 Bxa6 Rxb1 23 Rxb1 ( not 23 Bxc4?? Nf3+! 24 Kg2 Rxf1 25 Kxf1 Nd2+ forking the King and Bishop) ... wins a pawn> Why should White play 25.Kxf1?? After 25.Bxf1 he's perfectly fine.> That changes everything. In that case 19 Nb6 may lead to an advantage, and Aronian may have missed a chance to gain a promising ending. |
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| Feb-23-08 | | jovack: <acirce>
people hate this kind of game because the called draw way too early yes it was looking very drawish, but there are still so many pieces on the board... it's almost as if they are afraid to play it out to the end in a tough king pawn endgame, so both are content with 1/2 a point before it gets anywhere near the endgame yes they are considered strongest in the world, but they played a very regular opening, traded pieces down early, and agreed to draw way too early..... all these elements = BORING game just pointless... especially radjabov who should be playing to win since he is so far away from achieving first place in the tournament |
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| Feb-23-08 | | percyblakeney: Radjabov has two short draws in the tournament, with black against the top two. Probably not the games he most needs to win to get a good final result, and since he has had problems against Aronian I think he was content with the draw here. This position looks very drawish as long as none of the players hang a piece, so I'm not surprised that Radjabov accepted the draw offer. |
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| Feb-28-08 | | Nepa Pugna: I'm compelled to reply on this. <acirce: A game like this is considerably more interesting than no game at all. Why would a chess fan "hate" a well-played game of chess between two of the world's best players?> To which I reply ditto. And <The Chess Express There should be a 40 move draw rule.> ditto once again from a purist. |
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| Feb-28-08 | | crwynn: I'm not sure, but isn't the probable sequel something like 24...Nf5 25.Rd8 Rd8 26.Nf5 Bf5 27.h4 Be6 (27...Bd3? 28.Rd2 Rd7 29.Be4 wins) 28.Bc6 (28.a3 is the same) Rd1 29.Kh2 Ra1, and the q-side pawns will be traded; combined with the mass exchanges this leaves nothing whatsoever to play for. So how can they be criticized for not playing on? |
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| Feb-28-08 | | crwynn: 28.Bc6 would actually not be smart because the bishop doesn't threaten b5 so much, on account of the ...Bd5 and ...Rh1 idea. So really White should play 28.Rb5 Ba2 admitting that it is utterly dead drawn, but anyhow the point is the same. |
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| Feb-29-08 | | parmetd: neither gained anything out of the opening so rather than concede the point they split the point. |
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| Apr-11-08 | | The Chess Express: Well, I've been over this game enough now to appreciate that after 4. g3 there was probably no "better" way for white to play for a win. The risky stuff seems a little too risky. Once black gets d5 in this opening becomes rather drawish. In my biased but humble opinion white does better against a KID with 4. e4 d6 etc. |
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| May-01-08 | | houthakker: Paul Keres played against Martin Johansson,Stockholm 1967.His winning move was 26. Rxe6 in a Sicilian Game .I think NOTYETAGM has this position in mind. |
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