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Veselin Topalov vs Levon Aronian
Morelia-Linares (2008), Morelia MEX, rd 1, Feb-15
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Three Knights Variation (E21)  ·  1-0

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Feb-16-08  virginmind: i too think there was something wrong with aronian in this game. at least starting from some moment on. also, dont wanna lessen topa's merits in his attack. but i dont want to believe that the real difference in those two is the one that appears from this game. at least i hope not.
Feb-16-08  Microdot: <BushWhacker A H : <microdude> your understanding of chess is really on microbe level> Remember, my fide ELO is more than 2400, and I am International master. If you would like to play with me, I am ready for play in "playchess.com"
By the way, I won a game against levon, when he was IM.

Feb-16-08  Microdot: <ivan999: microdot,
i don't think you really believe this. aronian is a top class GM.>
I really believe Aronian is a top GM specially with white pieces, but against a super star like Topalov he is a computer boy, about 10 years ago I out played Aronian in a open tournament, I have the pgn of my game if you want I will post it here, but a super GM like Topalov 10 years ago was +2700, Aronian was about 2470 when I won against him
Feb-16-08
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  MarkThornton:


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Black to play his 10th move.

Can anybody explain why Aronian (and other GMs before him) played <10...e5> here?

My first reaction is that it weakens the d5 square unnecessarily.

My second reaction is that simple development with 10...0-0 is fine for Black.

My third thought is that 10...Qa5, preventing 11. Ba3 and 11. Be3, may be even better.

I must be missing something here... thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out.

Feb-16-08
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  MarkThornton: <virginmind: i too think there was something wrong with aronian in this game.>

I agree. This is a completely different Aronian from the one that shared 1st place at Wijk aan zee!

Feb-16-08  ivan999: he walked into a very strong novelty, thats it in my opinion
Feb-16-08  hovik2003: <I won a game against levon, when he was IM.>

<microdot>, You are on right track if you repeat this sentence ten times a day, you never know even you! would be able to believe it after a week of practice.

Feb-16-08  Microdot: <hovik2003>
My game with Aronian is available in database, at that time he was young, if you do'nt believe about my game, please let me know, then I will show you my game and also my name.
Feb-16-08  hovik2003: <Microdot>
If that is true then you have to cheer for the guy no matter what so if he becomes next world champion it is gonna be a big honour for you, that is my logic, and when you call him computer boy that is not logcal at all.
Feb-16-08  Petrosian63: Quote from India Times:

<In other games, Peter Leko beat young Teimour Radjabov while Veselin Topalov beat Lev Iranian>

Feb-16-08  hedgeh0g: Wouldn't 30...Nf8 have saved Black a pawn?
Feb-17-08
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: The pawn structure a2, c3, c4 and e2 (or e3 or e4) vs. a7, b6, c5 and e5 can be surprisingly strong for White because of his ownership of the d4 and d5 squares. He can for example bury a Bishop on the d5 square. Topalov clearly understands this very well.
Feb-17-08  Atking: <Rybka's suggested 15..Re8 and if your 16.f5 immediately then the point is 16..e4!> Then why not 17.g4 Nf6 18.Qh3 with 19.g5 or 19.Bf4 ? I really like white here.
Feb-17-08  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 14...Nd7, 14..f5 allows 15 Bd5+. However it also enables Black to answer f4 with ...e4.
Feb-17-08  Ulhumbrus: <MarkThornton:
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') Black to play his 10th move.

Can anybody explain why Aronian (and other GMs before him) played <10...e5> here?

My first reaction is that it weakens the d5 square unnecessarily.

My second reaction is that simple development with 10...0-0 is fine for Black.

My third thought is that 10...Qa5, preventing 11. Ba3 and 11. Be3, may be even better.

I must be missing something here... thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out.> The purpose of 10...e5 may be to free the Queen's bishop more easily, at the price of making other concessions. In other words, Aronian makes a choice of which concessions to give to White, and he does not necessarily know in advance whether his choice will turn out to be the right one.

Feb-18-08  Abejorral: Aronian played really bad chess in this game, forgetting some basic principles of chess.
Feb-18-08  Everett: On 21 and 23, the move Re6 can be considered for black. Certainly 23...h5 led to a total collapse of the light squares.
Feb-18-08  Abejorral: 20 Ra6 what for????

I mean he certainly played like a coffe player here,walking with his rook and losing time.

I keep thinking and cant understand what was the purpose of moving that rook so much times???

Feb-19-08  ChessMan94: What's up with 30...a4?
Feb-21-08  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/morelia-lin...

http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... (RUS) (“Translated”: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h... The board is not functioning at the translated page)

http://online.crestbook.com/morlin-...
GM Sergei Shipov ‘s commentary (RUS)

Morelia-Linares 2008 round #1 summary with photos http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Mar-05-08  Mendrys: It seems that after 30.Bg6


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that black will either lose his knight or give up the exchange. It's amazing how dominating white's bishpops are here. This is what Fritz 10 thinks is best in this position. Analysis by Fritz 10:

1. (2.26): 30...Rf7-f8 31.Bc7-d6 Rf8-f6 32.Bg6-e8 Rf6-f7 33.a2-a3 e6-e5 34.h2-h3 e5-e4 35.Be8xf7+ Kg8xf7 36.Bd6-c7 Kf7-e7 37.Rd1-d5 Bc8-a6 38.Rd5-g5 Ke7-f7 39.Kg1-f2 h5-h4

It's moves do look artificial and I'm sure Aronian chose 30...a4 to try ansd save as many pawns as possible by putting them on white squares.

Dec-11-08  EagleS: Microdot: <ivan999: microdot, i don't think you really believe this. aronian is a top class GM.> I really believe Aronian is a top GM specially with white pieces, but against a super star like Topalov he is a computer boy, about 10 years ago I out played Aronian in a open tournament, I have the pgn of my game if you want I will post it here, but a super GM like Topalov 10 years ago was +2700, Aronian was about 2470 when I won against him You are a big time fake man,10 y ago you played a boy of 16,even if i believe you, then and now you are still an IM,Aronian now is a GM,now i know everyone has his own ego but at the end of the day if you wanna live in real world you go to back it up with abilities,you head size and brain goes as far as an IM man, stop dreaming,and 1 more thing compare yourself with other IMs not with GMs, you are embarrasing yourself anyway peace bro in whatever world
Dec-11-08  EagleS: Microdot: <ivan999: microdot, i don't think you really believe this. aronian is a top class GM.> I really believe Aronian is a top GM specially with white pieces, but against a super star like Topalov he is a computer boy, about 10 years ago I out played Aronian in a open tournament, I have the pgn of my game if you want I will post it here, but a super GM like Topalov 10 years ago was +2700, Aronian was about 2470 when I won against him

You are a big time fake man,10 y ago you played a boy of 16,even if i believe you, then and now you are still an IM,Aronian now is a GM,now i know everyone has his own ego but at the end of the day if you wanna live in real world you got to back it up with abilities,your head size and brain goes as far as an IM man, stop dreaming,and 1 more thing compare yourself with other IMs not with GMs, you are embarrasing yourself anyway peace bro in whatever world

Dec-12-08  M.D. Wilson: Aronian crumbled in the final moments of this game. Not the best game from this very innovative player.
May-18-09  notyetagm: http://gambitbooks.com/pdfs/094Samp...
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