| Oct-09-07 | | John Marcel: nice tittle for this one |
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| Oct-09-07 | | CapablancaFan: 3...Bd6? 3...Nf6 or d6 far more superior than the move played. Hell even 3...a6 was better. What was this guy thinking? |
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| Oct-09-07 | | oxxo: if 12 ...BxQ?? 13. Nf6+ and Bh6# |
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| Oct-09-07 | | patzerboy: It's called an opening "innovation." I think it's called the "Sky is Falling" variation of the Spanish game. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | Infohunter: <CapablancaFan: 3...Bd6? 3...Nf6 or d6 far more superior than the move played. Hell even 3...a6 was better. What was this guy thinking?> There is another game with 3...d6 in the <cg> database:
G Mehmet-Kaan vs B Abdulwahid, 2007
As you will see, Black loses this one as well, though not so quickly. In both cases this is well-deserved, as I see it: 3...Bd6 is bad on its face, needlessly blocking the d-Pawn as it does, not to mention striking at h2 without even knowing for certain that White will castle on that side. <patzerboy: It's called an opening "innovation." I think it's called the "Sky is Falling" variation of the Spanish game.> I've looked at every chess opening nomenclature source I know, and can only conclude that Black's third move is so bad that it doesn't even have a name. (Not that I fail to appreciate your tie-in the today's pun, patzerboy--I'm not THAT literal-minded.) |
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Oct-09-07
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: We could call it the Little Defense, since that what it offers. |
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Oct-09-07
 | | al wazir: 8...Qe7 looks interesting. In the only game in the database with 3...Bd6, G Mehmet-Kaan vs B Abdulwahid, 2007, black played 4...Qe7. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | jdoliner: My this is devastating isn't |
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| Oct-09-07 | | sanyas: Love how the KB hangs for the whole duration of the combination. It adds to the sense of urgency. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | wouldpusher: Black lacked the needed defense mostly because his QB and QR remained undeveloped. Thanks to 3. ... ♗d6? |
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| Oct-09-07 | | psmith: Fritz 5.32 thinks Black can hold (and indeed get the better game) with 12...Qc7 13. Nf6+ Kd8. It's ugly, but I don't see how to break through. Any ideas? |
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| Oct-09-07 | | whiteshark: Little's efforts avail to little. |
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Oct-09-07
 | | kevin86: Black looked in trouble from the start-beginning with his third move. Why send a bishop to do a pawn's job? Torre was able to throw a bishop and later a queen out to take in exchange for a mate in two. Later he is able to execute same without black having the honor of taking a stray piece. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | Chessmensch: Maybe this is the Patzer variation of the Ruy Lopez. Black's play is truly awful. The only saving grace is that he didn't fall for the trap that <Oxxo> pointed out. But, I wonder if that's because he didn't know what was up but figured something must be. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | twin phoenix: wow Q-g3 is as great move. wish we could have had more Torre games! |
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| Oct-09-07 | | psmith: Here's the position after Fritz 5.32's suggested defense of 12...♕c7 13. ♘f6+ ♔d8 14. ♘d5 ♕d6. Any suggestions as to how White might break through?
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| Oct-09-07 | | whiteshark: <psmith: <Fritz 5.32's suggested>> Time to update your engine straight away!!!
http://www.superchessengine.com/ Try Toga or Glaurung |
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| Oct-09-07 | | pawnofdoom: Typical game of the day. A short game where black plays an irregulary opening, doesn't castle, is too greedy with material grabbing, and gets checkmated |
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Oct-09-07
 | | WannaBe: Funny thing... looking at the main link from the home page, <Torre vs. Little> first thing came to my mind was Joe Torre vs. Grady Little. =) |
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| Oct-09-07 | | darth pawn: <pawnofdoom: Typical game of the day. A short game where black plays an irregulary opening, doesn't castle, is too greedy with material grabbing, and gets checkmated> Well, what did you expect? A boring rook endgame that ends in a draw after 50 moves? YAWWN! D.P. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | zb2cr: Black plays 11. ... bxe5 to defend against the threat of 12. Nf6+, Kf8; 13. Bh6#. White then offers the Queen to sucker the Bishop away--as pointed out by <oxxo>.
Black doesn't fall for it.
<psmith>, 12. ... Qc7 may be a viable defense. After 13. Nd5, Qd6; 14. Bxe7+, Qxe7; 15. f4, Qe6; 16. Bc4, Bg7; 17. f5 looks strong. a. 17. ... gxf5?; 18. Qxg7, Re8; 19. Rfe1 and Black has to give up his Queen, since 19. ... Qxe1+; 20. Rxe1, Rxe1+; 21. Kf2, Re6; 22. Qh8+, Re8; 23. Qf6+, Re7; 24. Qxe7#. b. 17. ... Qc6; 18. fxg6. Now three variations:
b1. 18. ... Qxg6; 19. Qc7+, Ke8; 20. Rae1+ and again Black must give up his Queen. b2. 18. ... fxg6; 19. Qg5+, Bf6 ( ... Ke8; 20. Rae1+ ); 20. Rxf6, and Black's Queen is again a goner. b3. 18. ... hxg6; 19. Rxf7, Bh6; 20. Re1 with a threat of 21. Qe5. c. 17. ... Qe5. This seems to hold. I can't find anything better than 18. Qa3. |
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| Oct-09-07 | | psmith: <psmith> <zb2cr>
I think I have refuted my own line (with assistance from Fritz)
12...♕c7 13. f4! ♗g7 14. ♖ae1!  :
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(a) 14...O-O 15. ♗xe7 axb5 16. ♗d6 ♕c6 17. f5
(b) 14...axb5 15. ♗xe7 ♔xe7 16. ♕g5+ f6 17. ♘xf6+ leading to mate. |
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Jun-11-11
 | | Phony Benoni: 3...Bd6 is not an innovation, of course. Sometimes, it seems like there is no such thing as an innovation. In the magazine <Checkmate>, October 1902, p.19, it is labelled the C.W. Phillips Defense. This "innovation" no doubt accounts for his fame. Torre has little trouble tearing it apart, but in the game given in <Checkmate> Black isn't all that bad off until he decides to get fancy and castle queenside. [Event "Western Championship"]
[Site "Excelsior, MN"]
[Date "1902.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result ""]
[White "Smith, Harsen D"]
[Black "Taylor, J W"]
[ECO ""]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
<1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Bd6 4.0-0 Nd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 6.f4 c6 7.Bc4 Qe7 8.d3 Bc7 9.c3 Bb6 10.Kh1 d6 11.f5 Bd7 12.a4 a6 13.b4 Qh4 14.Bf4 0-0-0 15.b5 cxb5 16.axb5 axb5 17.Bxd6 Be8 18.Ra8+ Kd7 19.Bg3> 
click for larger view<19...Qe7 20.Bxb5#> 1-0 People are not going to be very interested in the opening play of somebody who can find 19...Qe7--but to be fair, Black is probably lost at that point. |
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