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Oct-30-13 | | Kikoman: <Puzzle of the Day> solutions: 50. Nd5+ Ke6 (If 50...Kd6/Kd8 then 51. Nxb4+ forking Black's Queen) 51. Qf5+ Kf7 52. Qh7+ Ke8/Ke6 53. Qe7# and that's it! :D |
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Oct-30-13
 | | Sneaky: A Nezhmetdinov puzzle without a sacrifice. Truly sneaky! |
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Oct-30-13 | | morfishine: What, they gave Lengyel the GM title, but not Nez?
In the puzzle, Black is hampered by having to stay off the d-file due to the exposed check Nxb4+ winning the Black Queen. (1) 50.Nd5+ Ke6 51.f4 exf4 52.Nxf4+ Ke7 53.Qg7+ Rf7
54.Ng6+ Ke8 55.Qg8+ Rf8 56.Qxf8#
(1a) 51...Nxe4 52.f5 Kd6 53.Nxb4+ Kc5 54.Nxc6 Kxc6 55.Qg7 *****
Pm: I didn't see the winning line because I was overlooking 52.Qh7+:
(2) 50.Nd5+ Ke6 51.Qf5+ Kf7 52.Qh7+ Ke6/e8 53.Qe7# I hope my lines hold up, or I'm in big trouble ***** |
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Oct-30-13
 | | agb2002: White is one pawn down.
Black threatens 50... Qxc7.
The first idea that comes to mind is 50.Nd9+ winning a full rook. But seriously, the other check 50.Nd5+ wins: A) 50... Kd6(7,8) 51.Nxb4+ wins the queen.
B) 50... Ke6 51.Qf5+ Kd6 (51... Kf7 52.Qh7+ Ke6(8) 53.Qe7#) 52.Nxb4+ wins the queen. |
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Oct-30-13 | | diagonalley: queen + knight in sweet harmony! |
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Oct-30-13
 | | patzer2: For today's Wednesday solution 50.Nd5+!
50...Ke6 51.Qf5+! forces mate after 51...Kf7 52.Qh7+ Ke6(8) 53.Qe7# or wins the Queen with discovered check after 51...Kd6 52. Nxb4+ . |
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Oct-30-13 | | gofer: Easy Enough...
50 Nd5+ Ke6 (Kd8/Kd7/Kd6 51 Nxb4+ )
51 Qf4+ Kd6 (Kf7 52 Qh7+ Ke8/Ke6 53 Qe7#)
52 Nxb4+
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But the middle of this game is a another story... |
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Oct-30-13 | | Nick46: 3 down 4 to go |
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Oct-30-13
 | | rodchuck: <gawain> My sentiments exactly! It is interesting how some patterns for mating or winning material are immediately obvious or at least suggest themselves from the position, while others demand a higher degree of fantasy. For me this came into the second category. The fact that the king was stalemated and the knight was en prise and the knowledge that it was a problem helped. I might have stumbled onto the solution by trying to save the knight with check, but the final position was not immediately apparent to me. |
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Oct-30-13 | | zb2cr: I missed this one. What I get for trying to solve early in the morning without coffee... |
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Oct-30-13 | | hedgeh0g: Does this even count as a puzzle? Playing a couple of checks to win the queen or force mate seems pretty obvious, doesn't it? |
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Oct-30-13 | | JG27Pyth: Ugh! I was seduced by Qg7 checkmate ideas and completely failed. I did look at Nd5+ but ... ugh... My excuse? Seeing Nezhmetdinov in a puzzle intimidates me, even on a Wednesday! |
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Oct-30-13
 | | PawnSac: The end was easy enough to see, but i actually found his
middle game more interesting. How he got to the end position
is what really counts!
With 19.d5 and 20.a5 he shifts the play to the king side. The attack on the H pawn induces the weakening 24.. h5 26.Bg5! f6 further weakens.
When i first looked at 31.a6 it appeared questionable until
i realized white's 28th, 30th, and 31st were a cunning ploy
to draw the Q off the 7th rank in anticipation of the intended
kingside sacrifices.
not 33...fxg5? as 34.Qxh5+ leads to a powerful attack that
wins the whole king side!
not 34...fxg5? 35.Qf5+ Kh6 36.Bxg5#
if 42...Ng6 43.Nc7! [with the double threats of Qxd7 and Qe6]
..Nf4 44. Qxd7+ Kg6 45. Qf5+ Kf7 46. g3 Ne2+ 47. Kh2 Rxg3
and now we can see that if the a7-g1 diagonal was open black
could try to force white to draw by perpetual with ..Rxg3
since fxg3 ..Qg1+ and ..Qh1#. As this line demonstrates, it
appears black can't avoid the loss of a knight, thus the game
move 42.. c4 begins to make sense, opening the diagonal and
eliminating the d6 pawn before it becomes a dangerous passer. <47.Ne8!> if RxN Qh7 picks up the Q and if KxN Qc8 wins the rook.
Thus 47.. Qxh6 threatening ..RxN. But it is already too late.
White has 4 very nice forcing moves..
48.Nc7 Qc6
49.Qg6! (threat = Qg7#)
...Rf8 (the only move since QxN Qg7+ wins the Q)
How Nezhmetdinov was never awarded the GM title is puzzling,
since he certainly was a formidible player, often playing
difficult to find moves. His occasional and somewhat unorthodox
tactics were his strength. |
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Oct-30-13 | | TheaN: Wednesday 30 October 2013
<50.?>
This is such a puzzle where the tag 'puzzle' can make it harder than it actually is. Thinking wednesday, I was looking for an exchange or piece sac with some difficult king hunt, eventually looked at rook and queen sacs as well, but they didn't really gain anything. In fact, the initial move is 'just' a check. I don't mind CG putting in such a position because ending a game is probably the hardest there is in chess and it does not always have to include flashy sacs and tactics. Here it does partly with the discovered check, but otherwise it's a piece coordination scheme. <50.Nd5+> understanding Qxd5 loses, black is down to only four moves. Moving to the d-file loses the queen for at most a piece due to 51.Nxb4+. Interposing with the queen after Kd7 or Kd8 leads to more peril with forks on the f8-rook, so black's 'best' of to just allow Nxc6 but might as well resign. The last alternative is the point of the puzzle, but is just a matter of repositioning. <50....Ke6 51.Qf5+ Kf7> Kd6 52.Nxb4+ just as much again. However, Kf7 blocks the rook interposing. This essentialy allows white to reposition his queen. <52.Qh7+ Ke6 53.Qe7# 1-0> and the centre proves fatal for the black king. |
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Oct-30-13 | | Mating Net: Score another win for the Queen & Knight duo. Black was weak on the light squares and paid. |
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Oct-30-13
 | | kevin86: White wins the queen or mates... |
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Oct-30-13 | | Refused: 50.Nd5+ and the King will eventually end up on the d-file, and after that it's Nb4+ and the Queen is gone. Only way to avoid the loss of his Queen is to sack his King.
50.Nd5+ Ke6 51.Qf5+ Kf7 52.Qh7 Ke6 (or Ke8) 53.Qe7#
Relatively best for black might be.
50.Nd5+ Kd8 51.Nb4+ Qd7 but this is also just lost. |
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Oct-30-13
 | | perfidious: <morfishine: What, they gave Lengyel the GM title, but not Nez?> Lengyel undoubtedly had an easier time meeting the foreign players he needed to fulfil the norms for the title than Nezhmetdinov, who, not being one of the established top-tier Soviet players, was lucky to ever play outside the Soviet Union. |
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Oct-30-13
 | | Penguincw: I tried to think up of a way to fork the king and queen, but came up empty. |
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Oct-30-13 | | James D Flynn: Black is a pawn up but his K is in dire strait:
50.Nd5+ Ke6(if Kd6,or d7 Nxb4+ wins at least Q for R) 51.Qf5+ Kf7(again if Kd6 Nxb4+ wins) 52,Qh7+ and if Black plays 52. Ke8 or Ke6 52.Qe7#) Kd8 53.Nxb4+ wins the Q) |
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Oct-30-13
 | | FSR: The obvious 50.Nd5+ is most unpleasant for Black. If his king steps onto the d-file, then 51.Nxb4+ will win his queen. But the alternative 50...Ke6 51.Qf5+ Kf7 (continuing to avoid the d-file) 52.Qh7+ Ke6/Ke8 53.Qe7# is even worse. |
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Oct-30-13 | | Steve.Patzer: 50. Nd9+ has to win a prize? |
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Oct-30-13
 | | radtop: I always get the first move. But I don't understand why black doesn't hold with 33...fg5? 34. Qf5+ Nh6 |
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Oct-30-13 | | bubuli55: 50.Nd5+ Ke6
51.Qf5+ Kf7
52.Qh7+ Ke6
53.Qe7#
Play the game :) |
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Oct-31-13 | | M.Hassan: <radtop: But I don't understand why black doesn't hold with 33...fg5? 34. Qf5+ Nh6> 33.............fxg5
34.Qxh5+ Nh6
35.hxg5 Rf8
36.gxf6 Bh8
White looses a Knight but gets a Knight+2pawns |
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