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Max Euwe vs Edith Martha Holloway
"Euwe Say Goodbye, and I Say Hollo" (game of the day Dec-07-2021)
Bromley (1920), Bromley ENG, rd 1, Apr-??
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit Moeller-Therkatz Attack (C54)  ·  1-0



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  catlover: Love the game title!

Euwe won convincingly, but Edith Martha Holloway did well playing against a world-class champion.

Dec-07-21  Brenin: <catlover>: Euwe was an 18-year-old student, not a world champion, at the time of this game, while his opponent was the current British women's champion, so one might argue that Euwe did well.

The pun (a Beatles reference) is clever, but it depends on a horrible mispronunciation of "Euwe" (or a misspelling as "ewe").

What if 25 ... fxg4? Then 26 Rc1, with the same idea as in the game?

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  HeMateMe: Now THAT'S a pun!
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  catlover: <What if 25 ... fxg4? Then 26 Rc1, with the same idea as in the game?> Your idea looks like an improvement over what was played.

Stockfish gives: +3.66 (21 ply) 26.Qg6+ Kh8 27.Rc1 c6 28.dxc6 Bxc6 29.Rc3 Re7 30.h6 f5 31.Qxd6 Ref7 32.Qg6 Bd5 33.Rc5 Rg8 34.Qh5 Be6 35.a3 Kh7 36.Re5 Bc4 37.Rxf5 Rxf5 38.Qxf5+ Kxh6 39.Qc5 Bd3 40.Qxa7 Be4 41.Qc5

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  Breunor: Premature resignation? 29 Kh6 and black is worse but there seems to be a lot of chess left.
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  OhioChessFan: <Breunor> a little surprising, but White has the simple Rxd6/d7 and White seems to have a clear path to victory.
Dec-07-21  newzild: <Breunor>, <OhioChessFan> after 29...Kh6 30. Rxb7, I would say there's not a lot of chess left.
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  Teyss: <OhioChessFan> Good pun, good game. I thought you were on Miss' blacklist.

Interesting how Euwe self-traps his Q with 24.f4 to go into a winning endgame. She said "Stop" and he said "Go, go, go."

Dec-07-21  optimal play: I wonder how many Beatles songs have appeared as puns for GOTD.

They seem to appear fairly regularly.

Even a couple of mine have been used.

This is another good one.

Dec-07-21  goodevans: <Brenin: [...] The pun ... depends on a horrible mispronunciation of "Euwe".>

Indeed it does, which means it doesn't work at all for me.

I'm gobsmacked that any devotee of chess can still mangle the pronunciation of this former WCC's name like this but this does seem to be at the heart of just about every pun involving his games.

The game is rather too one-sided to be of much interest (12...O-O? What was she thinking?) but at least it's sound even if the pun isn't.

Dec-07-21  ndg2: Brrrr, 'Euwe' ist not 'You'! It's more like the French 'Ouvre'.
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  MissScarlett: Do puns exist outside the English language? Foreigners seem to have trouble with the concept.
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  perfidious: Way I understand it, the name is pronounced ER-ver, as in 'fervour'.
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  Teyss: Since many are wondering about the prononciation, it's eu-oo-eu, "eu" being like in French or for "girl". Confirmed by my Dutch partner who asked "What kind of a pun is that?"
Dec-07-21  AlicesKnight: No surprise that the pun is criticised for only working on paper and not in actual pronunciation. Let it be! The game also has interesting moments.
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  MissScarlett: Holloway was the name of a famous prison:

Have any other well-known chess players shared such a dubious honour?

Dec-07-21  Brenin: <MissScarlett>: There are plenty of Peters and Pauls one could associate with that fortress and former home for political prisoners in St Petersburg.
Dec-08-21  ndg2: No, Miss Scarlett, foreigners don't have problem with the concept of puns. But all too often, the puns here rely on the willful misspronouncation of players name which is kinda disrespectful.
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  MissScarlett: Noah Fecker cares what you think.
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  MissScarlett: <Have any other well-known chess players shared such a dubious honour?>

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Dec-08-21  Dionysius1: I think the pun was created by someone who understands that "You" is how English chess fans pronounced the name in the many decades when we saw the name in print with little chance to hear a Dutch speaker say it.

For me that adds a lot to the humour.

Is it too much to say that the tedious corrections are part of the arrogance of the internet generations?

Dec-08-21  Brenin: <Dionysius1>: <Is it too much to say that the tedious corrections are part of the arrogance of the internet generations?>

Yes, I think it is too much. Having been brought up in the era when information came almost entirely from books, I take pleasure in using the internet to have foreign-language text translated into English and to hear it spoken. I also believe in showing respect to people by pronouncing their names as correctly as possible. If that is arrogance, all I can say is that I prefer it to ignorance. However, I appreciate your first two sentences.

Dec-09-21  Dionysius1: <Brenin> Nicely put. On the other hand I've heard of benign ignorance, but never benign arrogance! Cheers re first two sentences.
Jun-11-22  nalinw: There is also wilful ignorance ......
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  perfidious: There is, regrettably, no shortage of wilful ignorance about, though fortunately none is on display at this page.
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