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| Jan-19-14 | | newzild: <morphishine> In the note to your first line, after 20. Rf6 gxf6 21. exf6 Qd6 22. Qh5 Qf4 23. Rg3+, it appears to me that 23...Qxg3 is not forced. Black can try 23...Kh8, when I cannot see a clear win for White. For example, 24. Rg7 Qc1+ 25. Bf1 (otherwise Black has a perpetual) Rg8 and White has nothing. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | newzild: ...therefore, in my opinion, the correct move order is 20. Rf6 gf 21. Qf4!! |
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| Jan-19-14 | | Balmo: The great Gashimov. |
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Jan-19-14
 | | agb2002: The material is identical.
Black threatens 20... Rae8 and 21... f6 (20... f6 loses to 21.exf6 Rxf6 22.Rxf6 Qxf6 23.Qxf6 gxf6 24.Rxe6) and 20... c4 to divert or eliminate the dangerous bishop. The move ... f6 suggests 20.Rf6 with the threat Qh5 and Rg3: A) 20... gxf6 21.exf6 Qd7 (21... Qd6 22.Qg3+ and mate in two) 22.Qf4 Qd8 (22... Rfb8 23.Qxh6 and 24.Qg7#) 23.Qxh6 Qxf6 24.Rg3+ Qg6 25.Rxg6+ fxg6 26.Qxg6+ Kh8 27.Qh7#. B) 20... g6 21.Bxg6 fxg6 22.Rxg6+ Qg7 (22... Kh7 23.Qh5 Qg7 24.Reg3 + -; 22... Kh8 23.Rxh6+ Kg7 24.Qh5 + -) 23.Rxg7+ Kxg7 24.Qh5 Rf5 25.Rg3+ Rg5 26.Rxg5+ hxg5 27.Qxg5+ + - [Q+3P vs R+B]. C) 20... c4 21.Qh5
C.1) 21... cxd3 22.Rg3
C.1.a) 22... d2 (or 22... dxc2 or 22... Kh7) 23.Rxg7+ Kxg7 (23... Kh8 24.Qxh6#) 24.Qxh6+ Kg8 25.Qg5+ Kh7(8) 26.Rh6#. C.1.b) 22... g5 23.Rxg5+ hxg5 24.Qxg5+ Kh7(8) 25.Rh6#. C.1.c) 22... g6 23.Rfxg6+ fxg6 24.Rxg6+ Qg7 (24... Kf7 25.Rxh6+ and mate in two; 24... Kh7 25.Qxh7#; 24... Kh8 25.Rxh6+ and mate in two) 25.Qxh6 Rf7 (25... Qxg6+ 26.Qxg6+ Kh8 27.Qh6+ Kg8 28.Qxe6+ and 29.cxd3 + - [Q+4P vs 2R]) 26.Rxg7+ Rxg7 (27... Kf8 28.Rxf7+ Kxf7 29.Qf6+ Ke(g)8 30.Qxe6+ and 31.cxd3 + - [Q+4P vs R]) 27.Qxe6+ and 29.cxd3 + - [Q+4P vs 2R]. C.1.d) 22... Bf5 23.Rxh6 and mate soon.
C.1.e) 22... Qxf6 23.exf6 Rfb8 (23... dxc2 24.Rxg7+ Kh8 25.Qxh6#) 24.Qxh6 and mate next. C.2) 21... gxf6 22.Rg3+ and mate in two.
C.3) 21... g6 22.Bxg6 is similar to B. |
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Jan-19-14
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| Jan-19-14 | | morfishine: <newzild> Absolutely, but I always put what I tried and almost always on Sat and or Sun miss the best defence (though I may get the first move correct) Here, I didn't consider that Black would play an immediate 20...Rfd8 Thanks for looking
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| Jan-19-14 | | mel gibson: This was labelled insane but
I saw it straight away. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | MarkFinan: A fine British player Bogdan lalic, in his time! I've spoken to his son, Peter on here a few times and he's also a strong player. He makes chess videos that people can understand, never goes off track or mis counts pawns etc etc. Also good to see one of Gashimovs games made the hit parade 😄 |
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| Jan-19-14 | | patfoley: Rf6 gxf
exf Qd6
Re6 wins immediately
Qh5 is much more laborious |
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| Jan-19-14 | | abuzic: 20.Rf6 c4
<20...gxf6 21.Qg3+ Kh8 22.Qf4 Kg7 23.Rg3+ Kh8 24.Qxh6#>; <20...d4 21.Qe4 g6 22.Rg3 Rfd8 23.Rxg6+ fxg6 24.Qxg6+ Kf8 25.Rf3+ Bf7 26.e6>; <20...Rfd8 21.Qh5 Kf8 22.Rg3 Ke8 23.Bb5+ Rd7 24.Rxg7 Kd8 25.Rg8+ Kc7 26.Rxa1>; <20...g6 21Bxg6 fxg6 22.Rxg6+ Kh7 23.Qh5> 21.Qh5 Bg4 22.Qxg4 cxd3 23.g6 24.Rg3 Kh7 25.f4
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Jan-19-14
| | agb2002: My line A is wrong. Instead of 21.exf6, the immediate 21.Qg3+ wins: 21... Kh8 22.Qf4 (or 22.Qh4 Bf5 23.Qxh6+ Kg8 24.Bxf5) 22... f5 23.Qxh6+ Kg8 24.Rg3+ and mate next. |
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Jan-19-14
 | | playground player: When are we going to get our Deluxe Viewer back? This old whatchamacallit is awful. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | MarkFinan: Playgroundplayer.. It's a punishable sin! |
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| Jan-19-14 | | Patriot: Material is even. I don't see any threats for black except 20...g5 but that is not a problem. 20...f6 21.exf6 looks pretty risky for black, given Bf5 in some lines. White's "threats":
Checks: Bh7+
Mate threats: Qe4
Captures: Rxf7, Qxd5
Other threats: c4, Rf6(?), Qg3(?)
Some can be eliminated: 20.Bh7+ Kxh7, 21.?, 20.Qe4 dxe4 21.?, 20.Rxf7 Rxf7 21.?, 20.Qxd5 Bxd5 21.?, 20.c4 dxc4 21.Be4? There are only 2 moves I find interesting as threats: 20.Rf6, 20.Qg3. 20.Rf6 gxf6
21.exf6 Qd6 22.Qg3+ Qxg3 23.Rxg3+ Kh8 24.Rg7 doesn't seem enough compensation. 21.exf6 Qd6 22.c4 dxc4 23.Bxc4 Bxc4 24.Qg4+ 
21.exf6 Qd6 22.Rxe6 (very direct) fxe6 23.Qg4+ Kf7 24.Qg6# Okay, so 20.Rf6 cannot be defeated directly. There are other things to consider like 20...g6 creating a permanent hole on f6. This would be enough for me to play 20.Rf6. The only question is, is 20.Qg3 better? 20.Qg3 f6 21.Qg6 f5 22.Bxf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rxf5 24.Qxf5 doesn't seem so impressive. I like 20.Rf6 the best. |
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Jan-19-14
 | | chrisowen: See a done for fledge rook every fad a flight of f4, fancy seeded for sensed aim deed delve f6 at dig cuffed bog in bemoans lack of room at free cap I, oomph f6 at judges hug the rail a hoofed aka race:
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side down 20...c4 21.Qh5 Bg4 22.Qxg4 cxd3 (2.94).
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slide 25.Rxh6 palm see one off rook definately seals to wax being model flood 25...Kg7 mate in 3. Evermore king flees at g-line headed for warm in climes to the south he goes a feel for having mate in the air 23...Ke8 24.Bf5 Kd7 25.Rfxf7 mate in 14 or there abouts wins queen eg hoof 24.Rg8+ king slides affect done in by light crashes through to have 24...Kxg8 25.Rxh6 Kg7 26.Rh7+ he guffaw heading good king left in the lurch to defend 26...Kg8 27.Rh8+ a line to height in heffalump rook seals off his escape at grounds 27...Kg7 28.Qh6# |
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| Jan-19-14 | | Patriot: I decided to try something different today by first attempting to identify all black threats and then white's threats, to hopefully improve efficiency. But I missed 20...c4 and 20...d4 as a simple threat, before even getting started! I would say that's a board vision problem. I was on target with <20.Rf6 gxf6 21.exf6 Qd6 22.Rxe6!> but there are improvements here for black. 21...Qc7 is a much better defense keeping an eye on the mating square, g7, while monitoring g3. Houdini suggests the very odd 22.Re1, which simply clears e3 for the queen. That is very hard to see. 22.Re4 also wins. The failure in not seeing best defenses, was mostly that I didn't attempt to look for all defenses. It's also true that 20.Rf6 gxf6 21.Qg3+ is best given 21...Kh8 22.Qh4! I just thought 21.exf6 was potentially more dangerous and focused on that, noticing Qg3+ and mate next, but then 21.Qd6 took me down a different path. Sometimes finding the most promising candidate, to avoid unnecessary calculation, is not easy and I'm not sure how to deal with that issue. |
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Jan-19-14
 | | Jimfromprovidence: 20 Rf6 c4 21 Qh5 Bg4!? makes it winning but more difficult.
click for larger view Next comes 22 Qxg4 cxd3 23 cxd3 Kh7.
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| Jan-19-14 | | whiteshark: You gotta love this <20.Rf6!!>. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | BOSTER: <C by the D .So my main line is 15 .Rf6>.
I guess you have the wrong numbers. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | BOSTER: < An Englisman: White's best move is 13.R b1>.
After 15...f6 to open «f» file, to underline the weakness on f2 black is better. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | PJs Studio: I actually got all of Whites moves. However, I couldn't get ANY of blacks defensive choices. Which I think it's very instructive: ...Rd8 isn't forced, ...Kf8 seemed good but ...c4 wasn't a consideration for me. White played excellent moves to build such an aggressive attacking position. Cashing in on blacks quiet defense nicely. Morphshine is right, not too insane for a Sunday |
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| Jan-19-14 | | abuzic: Just to correct previous post, the last line was wrong: 20.?
20.Rf6
<20...c4 21.Qh5 Bg4 22.Qxg4 cxd3 23.Rg3 g6 24.cxd3 Kh7 25.h4> (stronger than 25.f4 in the original post) 
click for larger view<here black has no effective moves> (he cannot take 25...Qxe5? due to 26.Rxf7+ Rxf7 27.Qg6+ Kh8 28.Qxf7 threat 29.Rg6 with a mating attack, which forces 28...Qxg3 29.fxg3). <if 25...h5 26.Qf4 (threat Qg5, Rg5) Rae8 27.Rg5 Kg7 28.Qf5 Kh8 29.Rxh6+ Kg7 30.Rg5 Kh8 31.Qg4 Kg7 32.Rgxg6+ fxg6 33.Qxg6+ Kh8 34.Qh6+ Qh7 35. Rxf8+ Rxf8 36.Qxf8+ Qg8 37.Qxg8+ Kxg8 38.h5 winning> <20...gxf6 21.Qg3+ Kh8 22.Qf4 Kg7 23.Rg3+ Kh8 24.Qxh6#>; <20...d4 21.Qe4 g6 22.Rg3 Rfd8 23.Rxg6+ fxg6 24.Qxg6+ Kf8 25.Rf3+ Bf7 26.e6>; <20...Rfd8 21.Qh5 Kf8 22.Rg3 Ke8 23.Bb5+ Rd7 24.Rxg7 Kd8 25.Rg8+ Kc7 26.Rxa1>; <20...g6 21Bxg6 fxg6 22.Rxg6+ Kh7 23.Qh5> |
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| Jan-19-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: Yep, sorry for getting the move numbers wrong. Dunno where that came from. |
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| Jan-19-14 | | Tiggler: The great Vugar Gashimov passed away one week ago after a very long and difficult illness that started to affect him long before this game was played. RIP Vugar, and thank you for many great masterpieces, including this one. |
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| Jun-14-20 | | Baahubali: Remarkable game ...... Gashimov plays the way classical chess should be played ....with all the time to calculate all these wild variations... couldn't find the last tactical shot....was going for Qxh6 going nowhere but Rxh6 is indeed crisp checkmate. |
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+ sac: 23.Rxg7