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Fritz Englund vs David Janowski
Scheveningen (1913), Scheveningen NED, rd 2, Jul-28
Danish Gambit: General (C21)  ·  0-1



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Mar-13-12  dufferps: Obviously, that rook on the third rank is poison, but white's chances look a lot better if he proceeds with his attack, 24. Qd8+ Kh7, 25. Qd7

I think that 25. ... Re6 still wins for black, and probably other lines also, but it is no quick and easy win.

Mar-13-12  viking78: Black wins the game with <23...Rxf3> (if 24.Qd8+ Kh7 with no more attack to white) <24.gxf3 Rg5+ 25.Kh1 Qxf3+ 26.Kh2 Qg2#> Easy but lovely combination.
Mar-13-12  viking78: So white had a better 24th move, same result he lose the game and 23...Rxf3 was the key move.
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  whiteshark: 23 ...Rxf3 and that's it.
Mar-13-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: White has B for a N and an extra pawn on the king-side, but black has the winning advantage with the active major pieces bearing down on the white king.

After 23... Rxf3!, white can offer little resistance:

A) 24.gxf3? Rg5+ 25.Kh1 Qxf3+ 26.Kh2 Qg2#

B) 24.Qb8+ Kh2 25.Rd8 Rg5 26.Rh8+ Kg6 forces an exchange of queens into an easy ending (otherwise 27... Rxh3).

C) 24.Qd8+ Kh7 25.gxf3 Rg5+ 26.Qxg5 Qxg5+ 27.Kh1 Qh5 (Qxb5 is also fine) 28.Kg2 Nc4! 29.Rd5 Ne5 and white must play Rxe5 to stop 30... Qxf3+ (Q for R).

Mar-13-12  LoveThatJoker: <zb2cr> Thanks for the kind mention!


Mar-13-12  TomOhio: What about 24.Qd7 ? Does that help White?
Mar-13-12  Limpin Kt: <Sevenseamen> and <LTJ> thanks for those variations u have posted.
Mar-13-12  Limpin Kt: <tomohio> after 24.Qd7 black will be a piece up by simply retreating the rook. Black will soon centralize the knight and will have irresistable attack aided by strongly posted pieces.i think practically better will be 24.Qe5! But still white can't save the game.
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  FSR: 23...Rxf3 24.gxf3 Rg5+ 25.Kh1 Qxf3+ 26.Kh2 Qg2#
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  FSR: Englund lost even more quickly in this tournament in Breyer vs F Englund, 1913 and Ed Lasker vs F Englund, 1913. But Alekhine had to work a lot harder to win: Alekhine vs F Englund, 1913.
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  Penguincw: Tuesday puzzles, not as easy as Mondays, but still doable. Pretty simple, peel open the g-file.
Mar-13-12  LoveThatJoker: <Limpin Kt> I'm glad you enjoyed the variation I's a fun one! Thanks for the kind note!


Mar-13-12  dragon player: Black's pieces are very active. What's left, is the finish:

23... Rxf3
24. gxf3

Or else white loses a piece. He could interpose Qd8+, but that doesn't matter.

24... Rg5+
25. Kh1 Qxf3+
26. Kh2 Qg2#

Time to check.


The game went slightly different, but the idea is the same.

2/2 now

Mar-13-12  Memethecat: 23...Rxf3 wins piece & game.

White can't take the R :24gxf3 Rg5+ 25Kh1 Qxf3+ etc


Expected resignation, if white wished to continue maybe 24Rd3, but still useless. ^.^

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  kevin86: Rxf3 wins a piece...white must try to prevent mate,so material must be lost.
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Mar-13-12  stst: 23.....Rxf3 (get rid of the most important defender - B) 24.gxf3 Rg5+
25.Kh1 QxQ reaping the Q
Mar-13-12  Boerboel Guy: <chrisowen> your spell check, she no wek!
Mar-13-12  Crispy Seagull: I got Rxf3 with the idea that 24. gxf3 Rg5+ 25. Kh1 Qxf3+ 26. Kh2 Qg2# is all forced after the pawn recaptures. I did not envision the actual game continuation, which smacks of sheer desperation for white!
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  Oxspawn: First off this does not look easy. But I am going to tackle it without board or playing the game. Black must be concerned with white playing Qd8+ and then at some point following up with Be4 to seal off the King’s escape. Or simply the White queen mopping up pawns around the knight. However, I see that the white Queen would struggle to reach the bottom right hand side of the board in any helpful way, so maybe that is clue to white's weak spot. Indeed, I can see how, if white collaboratea, black can engineer mate. 23. RxB
24 PxR Rg5+
25 Kh1 Qxf3++
Obviously white will not collaborate and so not retake with the pawn, once it sees the danger. But what can it do? Check with the white queen does not seem to be much help after Kh2, but the sequence could continue. So:
23. RxB
24 Qd8+ Kh7
25 Qxb6 Rxh3
And white cannot prevent Qh2 which would seem to result soon in mate. Things still look bad for white after
24 Qd7 Rg5
I haven’t got this. I cannot see how to kill white off. But I think RxB is the key first move and being short of time and brainpower I am going to play that and then go and take a look. At worst black is a piece up.
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  Oxspawn: Well that's frustrating. White did not seem to come up with anything and then just resigned. I suppose after g3 black plays Rxg3, PxR QxP+
Kh1 Rh5++

If I had been playing black in this position, after 23.....RxB, white would have come up with a killer move and I would have panicked.

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  sleepyirv: That bishop's hanging, White just doesn't know it yet. 23... Rxf3

Technically, White has many replies but taking the rook ends in mate and after his one check, Black's king safe.

No real lesson here, except there's a reason finachettoing the bishop makes more sense than leaving it out like a fingernail on the f pawn.

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  chrisowen: <Boerboel Guy> Estimate Haggled Coldar, Lexicon It's Irreg Hook Alive Crim!
Mar-13-12  dzechiel: Black to move (23...?). Material even. "Easy."

It looks like black wins a piece after


White doesn't dare recapture, because after

24 gxf3 Rg5+ 25 Kh1 Qxf3+ 26 Kh2 Qg2#

is mate.


More in the position than I first noticed.

Time to check.

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