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Surya Shekhar Ganguly vs Anuar Ismagambetov
"Is My Gambit Off?" (game of the day Jan-11-2009)
New Delhi Parsvnath op 4th (2006), New Delhi , 2006, rd 5, Jan-17
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation (C67)  ·  1-0



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Jan-11-09  Eisenheim: What if black sacs Queen back with 24 ...gxh5, 25 Bf6 Qe4!? 26 Bxe4 Re8 27 Bh7+ Kf8 and the king is left with flight square, although black is pretty pinned down.
Jan-11-09  ILikeFruits: i know...
x men...
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  Domdaniel: And you are ... ?
Jan-11-09  blacksburg: <PaulLovric>

6.Ba4 leaves the main theory of the Berlin. (but everyone plays it against me in blitz)

6...exd4 is in my humble opinion not as good as 6...e4. black shouldn't open the e-file willy-nilly with his king on e8. many of black's subsequent moves are questionable and very passive, but don't lose material. black has reasonable options on nearly every move.

<white has castled, all major and minor pieces are active, except the rook on a1. hitherto black has castled and is up two pawns but is way behind in development> black is WAY behind in development, which would indicate that white should attack, but black has no weaknesses in his position, and he has a few pieces defending his kingside. which is why i think 14...g6 is the first real mistake, giving white an obvious target.

14...Bf6 looks better, maybe 14...d6, at first glance. black is cramped, and is going to be attacked, but as long as he has no kingside pawn weakness, i think he should survive.

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  Domdaniel: <jahhaj> - <I thought the Berlin was supposed to be a bore draw> A lot of openings with this reputation can be very sharp -- the Petrov and Berlin in the past decade, the Exchange Spanish before that. I can remember when the Queen's Indian was regarded as deadly dull, until Kasparov showed how to make mayhem with it. And I like to play the Reti sharply -- some players assume that 1.Nf3 implies peaceful intentions by White, and they can be very mistaken.

It's just at elite GM level, where both players have their own prepared variations on the latest theory, that the Berlin is drawish -- if they decide to head straight from the opening into the Berlin Wall ending, where white has a slight edge but usually not enough to win.

Apparently the latest analysis has broken this down into the various different minor piece endings that are liable to occur, with white's winning chances tabulated in each case (and supported by engine analysis).

I tend to agree with those who say that there's something missing in this kind of chess. Like the middlegame ...

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  patzer2: White's 16. Rxe7!! utilizes multiple tactics, including the pin, knight fork, double attack, a Queen sham sacrifice and a minor piece mate threats to win the Black Queen.

In the final position, Black resigns in lieu of 24...gxh5 25. Bf6! Qe4 26. Bxe4 .

Jan-11-09  xrt999: I like to play 5...Be7 in this line
Jan-12-09  PaulLovric: <blacksburg: <PaulLovric>

6.Ba4 leaves the main theory of the Berlin.> thanks. is the berlin defence supposed to end up with a "berlin wall" on the black side <6...exd4 is in my humble opinion not as good as 6...e4. black shouldn't open the e-file willy-nilly with his king on e8.> that'swhat i thought too

Jan-12-09  Extremophile: Very interesting position after 12...Ne8. Black has all his pieces in the first two ranks after 12 moves!
Jan-12-09  blacksburg: the berlin is drawish when kramnik plays it, but at amateur level it's very practical, and avoids the exchange variation, which is also boring, and can be forced by white if you don't play the berlin.

i've won quite a few games as black in the berlin wall endgame, amateur white players tend to overestimate their position, and make crazy aggressive pawn moves.

and it's better than getting slaughtered in the sicilian. everyone and their mother has their own pet line against the sicilian, the french, the main line spanish, so the berlin is very practical.

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  kevin86: Queen sac-ed bishop mates...
Jan-13-09  acirce: Another thing is, for good or bad, White players on lower levels much more often than not seem to avoid the endgame mainline. They might find it boring, they might find it difficult to play (I certainly don't disagree, regardless of side), or they might not even know about it.

On the one hand you want to play the endgame because it's so interesting, on the other hand every White deviation basically promises you theoretical equality. Kind of win-win.

Jan-13-09  blacksburg: <thanks. is the berlin defence supposed to end up with a "berlin wall" on the black side>

it's basically up to white to decide if the berlin wall endgame arises. problem is, the other options don't promise a great deal.

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  Penguincw: Really nice sequence of moves.
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  DAbrahams: Ganguly has lectured on this game, and he stated that he actually forgot his opening preparations after Ba4. I do not remember his lecture precisely, but I believe that he originally intended to play something other than 7.c3.
Feb-24-12  King Death: If Black doesn't mind playing the Open there's a way to avoid the Berlin Wall with 5...a6 6.Ba4 b5 7.Bb3 d5. Of course even then White can try a form of the Exchange but this one doesn't offer him very much.
Oct-19-18  Saniyat24: Is the pun because of the gambit played, I thought it was a play on the name Is-ma-gambet-ov, (Ismagambetov) :D
Oct-19-18  Saniyat24: After black's 12th move 12...Ne8 both side have no forward pawns, that is a very strange position indeed...!
Mar-27-19  BickeDag: This has got to be one of the best puns I've seen on CG. For once, I actually laughed after I read it. The opening was even a sort of gambit, so it fits so well.
Nov-07-20  Walter Glattke: Ah, new game, with Ismail Gambetov, nice name for that.
Nov-07-20  Brenin: Good pun, good game. After 24 ... gxh5 26 Bf6 (threatening 27 Bh7 mate) Qe4 27 Bxe4 Rf8 28 Bd5 Kf8 29 Bxf7 and 30 Bxh5, White's advantage is overwhelming.
Nov-07-20  Walter Glattke: 17.-f6 18.Bb3 Ne6 B) 18.Nxe7 Qxe7 19.Qd5+ Ne6 20.Bb3 fxg5 21.Nxg5 Rf6 22.Re1 Kg7 23.Nxe6 dxe6 one rook for black, or do you have got better moves here!? Rooktakeov was a better name than Gambetov.
Nov-07-20  Brenin: <Walter Glattke>: 17 ... f6 18 Bxf6 Rxf6 19 Nxf6+ looks horrible for Black, e.g. 19... Kf7 20 Ng5+ Kxf6 21 Qd4+ with mate to follow. Alternatives look no better.
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  agb2002: White is two pawns down.

White exerts pressure on the dark squares and a quick scan yields 16.Rxe7 Nxe7 followed by Qd4, Nf6+ and Bg5.

17.Nf6+ doesn't seem to work: 17... Kh8 18.Bxg7+ Kxg7 19.Qd4 Nf6 20.Bxf5 Qxf6.

17.Qd4 Nef5 18.Bxf5 Nxf5 and the attack vanishes.

17.Bg5 f6 18.Bxf6 looks reasonably good for White.

Nov-08-20  Pedro Fernandez: My particular analysis.

16. Nxe7+ Nxe7 17. Qd4 f6 18. Ng5 Nef5 19. Bxf5 Nxf5 20. Qd5+ Kh8 21. Nf7+ Rxf7 22. Qxf7 -+.

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