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| Jan-25-06 | | you vs yourself: <ughaibu> Lol! I overlooked that bishop. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | alicefujimori: <you vs yourself>This is one of the lines that Fritz gave. 31...Bxd5 32.cxd5 Qg5 33.Qg4 Qxg4 34.hxg4 Rf4 35.f3 Rb4 and about equal. I don't know. It is difficult to guess for Topalov had in mind. It would be interesting to know too why Karjakin rejected 31.c4. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | alicefujimori: Topalov actually missed the stunning 36...Qh4, which would of been much easier for Black to win. Example line: 36..Qh4 37.Bd3 Rd4 38.Kh2 Bxd5 39.Qf1 Rf4 40.Qe1 Qxe1 41.Rxe1 Rd4 winning a piece. |
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| Feb-05-06 | | XMarxT3hSpot: I think white's 33rd move should get a ?! mark. If 33.Qa4, with the back rank threat preventing 33..Qg5 White would still be on the upperhand. |
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| Feb-05-06 | | ughaibu: What about 33....Bc6? |
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| Feb-07-06 | | XMarxT3hSpot: <ughaibu> after 33 Qa4 Bc6 White's reply would probably be 34.Nxc3 IMO but I'm not sure about this line..Anyone with the engine could check this? |
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| Feb-14-06 | | patzer2: At http://www.e3e5.com/eng/petersburg/... is an interesting analysis of this game by Russian GM Konstantin Sakaev. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | patzer2: At http://www.coruschess.com/report.ph... is the following official report and commentary on this game: "In another Sveshnikov duel Topalov dispatched of Karjakin in grand style. The two were following a long line of theory, which the champ believed was very ok for Black. He liked his 22… Rc8, with the idea of placing it on c5 in an opportune moment, as well as 24…h6, which he called a “good waiting move”. In the position where White played 25.Qg3 it was “not easy for White to accomplish anything” – Topalov as if: 25. Rad2 a4! 26. bxa4 Qg5 and White doesn’t have 27. Qg3 as Bc4 is hanging. On move 29.h3?! “I don’t like this move”—Topalov, it seems as if Sergey could have tried to repeat moves, but Veselin hinted he would not have allowed this, but would have avoided the draw. White blundered with (see diagram 2) 31.Bb1?, simply overlooking 31…Rxc3!. Now (and even more so on the following move!) the lesser evil would have been 32. Qxf5 Nxf5 33. Nxc3, although here also Black is well on top, among other things getting his Knight to d4. Matters looked good for the Bulgarian, but on move 35 he chose the least convincing of his many choices (he claimed he had 5 of these!), overlooking that 37.Nxf4 he cannot go 37…exf4 since b7 is hanging and there is no mate. “I was lucky to have 40..Kg8! which is the only move to win here”, he said. After the precise 41…h4! Karjakin was soon forced to resign." |
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| Feb-14-06 | | patzer2: Here's an analysis with Fritz 8 and the Opening Explorer: <1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5> Entering the Sicilian (B33) variation, otherwise known as the Lasker-Pelikan System. <6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8. Na3 b5 9. Nd5> The most frequently played alternative is 9. Bxf6 as in Kramnik vs Van Wely, 2005. <9... Be7 10. Bxf6 Bxf6 11. c3 Bg5 12. Nc2
O-O 13. a4 bxa4 14. Rxa4 a5 15. Bc4 Rb8 16. Ra2> The slightly more popular
alternative is 16. b3 as in Ivanchuk vs L E Johannessen, 2005. <16...Kh8 17. Nce3 Bxe3> This is the only game with
this move in the CG opening explorer (Could it be a novelty?), even though it is Fritz 8's first choice. Previously played were 17...g6 as in Kasimdzhanov vs Ivanchuk, 2006, 17...Be6 as in Kudrin vs O Zambrana, 2005 and 17...Ne7 as in Kosteniuk vs Dvoirys, 2005. <18. Nxe3 Ne7 19. b3 f5 20. exf5 Nxf5 21. Nd5 Bb7 22. O-O Rc8 23. Qd3 Nh4 24. Rd1 h6 25. Qg3 Nf5 26. Qg4 Rc5 27. Rad2 Bc8 28. Qe4 Bb7 29. h3> White might have tried to force a draw by repetion of moves with 29. Qg4 Bc8 30. Qe4 Bb7 31. Qg4 Bc8 =, but Topalov apparently indicated he would have avoided this possibility (29. Qg4 Bxd5 30. Rxd5 Rxd5 31. Bxd5 Ne7 32. Bc4 Qb6 = avoids the draw). <29... Nh4 30. Bd3> Perhaps worth considering is Fritz 8's suggestion 30. Ra2 Nf5 30...Rf4 31. Qd3 Rf8 32. Ne3  )31. Qg4 Ne7=. <30... Rf5 31. Bb1?> The official tournament report at http://www.coruschess.com/report.ph... calls this a "blunder" as it drops a pawn and gives Black a clear
advantage. Instead, White can hold with 31. Bc4 Rf8 32. Ra2 Nf5 33.
Qd3=. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | patzer2: <31... Rxc3 32. Qg4> Not much help for White is 32. Nxc3 Bxe4 33.
Rxd6 Nf3+ 34. Kh1 Qe7 35. Rd7 Qxd7 36. Rxd7 Bxb1 37. gxf3 Bc2 38. Kg2 Bxb3  .
<32... h5!> This deflection forces White to find a very difficult defense, and gives
Black a strong attacking initiative to go with his extra pawn. In the hands
of the FIDE champion, such advantages are usually decisive. <33. Qe2!?> White's position is difficult and good defensive moves are hard to find. However, Fritz 8 indicates White can hold the position after 33. Qa4! Rf8 (33... Bc6!? 34. Nxc3 Bxa4 35. Rxd6 Qg5 36. Rd8+ Kh7 37. Bxf5+ Nxf5 38. Nxa4 ) 34. Be4 (34. Nxc3 Qg5 35. Be4 Bxe4 36. Qxe4 Nf3+ 37. Qxf3 Rxf3 38. Ne4 Qg6 39. Rxd6 Qxe4 40. gxf3 Qxf3 41. R1d3 Qf7 42. Re3 =) 34... Bc6 35. Qa3 Rc5 36. Qb2 Qg5 . 37. Rd3 Ng6 38. Bxg6  <33... Qg5!>
This gives Topalov a strong attack. <34. f4?> GM Sakaev in his analysis at
http://www.e3e5.com/eng/petersburg/... call this the decisive mistake. Instead, White can put up a credible defense with 34. Be4 Rcf3! 34... Rxh3 35. Qb5 Bxd5 36. Qxd5 Rhf3 37. g3 R5f4 38. Kf1 Qxg3 39. Qa8+ Rf8 40. Bxf3 Qxf3 41. Qxf3 Rxf3 42. Rxd6 Rxb3 43. R6d5 Nf3 44. Rxa5 =) 35. Bxf3 Rxf3
36. g3 Rxb3 37. Kf1 Nf5! 38. Qc4 Rf3 $1 39. Kg1 h4 40. Qe2 Ra3 41. Qe4 hxg3
42. f4 exf4 43. Qxf4 Qxf4 44. Nxf4 Be4 45. Ne6 d5 46. Ng5 Nh4 47. Rc1 Nf3+ 48. Nxf3 Bxf3 49. Rdc2 Be4 50. Rc3 Rxc3 51. Rxc3 g2 52. Ra3 Kh7 53. Rxa5 Kg6 54. Kf2 Kf5 55. Rb5 g5 56. Rb8 d4 57. Rf8+ Ke5 58. Rg8 d3 59. Rxg5+ Kd4 60. Rg3 Kc3
61. h4 Kc2 62. Rxd3 Kxd3 63. h5 Kd4 64. h6 Ke5 65. h7 Bxh7 66. Kxg2=. I have no doubt others will improve on this line and would not be surprised
if someone finds a win for Topalov. Yet, the Fritz 8 analysis here should be sufficient to demonstrate White has practical drawing chances by avoiding this weak move (34. f4?) |
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| Feb-14-06 | | patzer2: <34... Rxf4!>
This sham sacrifice wins a second decisive pawn and the game. <35. Kh1>
Black's rook is poison as its capture leads to a decisive attack on White's position after 35. Nxf4?? Nf3+ 36. Kf2 Nxd2 37. Qxd2 Qg3+ 38. Kf1 exf4 39. Qe2 Re3 40. Qxh5+ Kg8
41. Bh7+ Kf8 42. Qf5+ Ke7 43. Qc2 f3! 44. Kg1 Re2 45. Qc7+ Kf8 46. Qd8+ Re8
47. Qxd6+ Qxd6 48. Rxd6 Re1+ 49. Kf2 fxg2 50. Rg6 Rf1+ 51. Ke2 g1=Q 52. Rxg1 Rxg1  . <35... Nxg2!>
Topalov follows up with a strong demolition of pawn structure combination. <36. Qxg2> Black wins after 36. Nxc3 Qh4! 37. Kh2 Ne3! 38. Qxe3 (38. Rg1 Rf3
39. Qxf3 Bxf3 40. Nd5 Bxd5 41. Rxd5 Qf4+ 42. Kh1 Nxd5 ) (38. Nd5 Bxd5 39. Qxe3 Rf3 40. Qxf3 Bxf3 41. Kg1 e4 42. Bxe4 Bxd1 43. Rxd1 Qxe4 ) 38... Rf3 39. Qxf3 Bxf3 40. Rc2 Qf4+ 41. Kg1 Qg3+ 42. Kf1 Bxd1 43. Nxd1 Qxh3+ 44. Ke2 g5 45. Rc7 Qh2+ 46. Ke1 Qh1+ 47. Kd2 Qg2+ 48. Ke1 e4 49. Rc8+ Kg7 50. Rc3 d5 51. b4 Qg1+ 52. Ke2 axb4 53. Rb3 g4 54. Rxb4 g3 55. Bxe4 Qh2+ 56. Ke3 dxe4 57. Rb7+ Kf6 58. Rb6+ Kg5 . <36... Rg3!?> This wins, but a stronger continuation is
36... Qh4! 37. Bd3 Rd4 38. Kg1 Bxd5 39. Qg6 Be4 . <37. Nxf4 Bxg2+ 38.
Nxg2 Rxh3+ 39. Kg1 Rg3 40. Rf2 Kg8 41. Rxd6 h4> Stronger and simpler is 41...Rxg2+! 42. Rxg2 Qc1+ with a winning double attack. <42. Rc6 Qg4 43. Rd6 0-1.> White resigned. However, play might have continued 43... e4 44. ♖d4 h3
45. ♗xe4 ♕g5 46. ♖fd2 ♕e3+ 47. ♔h2 hxg2 48. ♖d8+ ♔f7 49. ♖2d7+ ♔f6 50. ♖d6+ ♔e5 51. ♗xg2 ♕f2 with a clearly won position. |
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| Feb-27-06 | | kakhander: So, Karjakin actually has a slight advantage before move 31? One move is all it takes for these super-GMs to change the momentum and end the game. |
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| Feb-27-06 | | alexandrovm: <kakhander: So, Karjakin actually has a slight advantage before move 31? One move is all it takes for these super-GMs to change the momentum and end the game.> that happens even at lower level chessgames my friend... |
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| Feb-27-06 | | devilwolfdog: I think this is a classic case of GM overanalysis. If you showed the position after black's 30th move to an 1800 player he would almost immediately say white has to play "31 c4". I know because I'm an 1800 player and that looks like the only good move for white to me. |
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| May-21-06 | | spirit: overlearning... |
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| Feb-01-07 | | positionalgenius: <sheaf>Look at all of the annotations here. None of them mention a huge topalov advantage out of the opening-in fact none of them mention any advantage for topalov at all. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | positionalgenius: <sheaf>In fact karjakin could have maintained an advantage up to move 31,when he blundered with Bb1?? |
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| Feb-01-07 | | sheaf: I reckon 31 Bc1 looks like a weak move allowing a dangerous black attack starting with h5 |
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| Feb-01-07 | | sheaf: <positionalgenius> but i dont see a big advantage for white either. In fact the position has too many subtleties like threat of qg5 followed with a subsequnet Rf6, but white threatens a mate on h7 so black has to be careful. but i guess something like qg4 should be fine for white. i guess this no more than equality for white. a very uncharecteristic sveshnikov with not too many queen side adventure from white but a rather kingside onslaught from black. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | sheaf: but which piece of work are you calling a tactical masterpiece...? Nxg7, Rg3+ which is a move that you wont play after f4.. true i dont stand completely correct that black was not overwhelmingly better out of the opening but any human player would playing with black since only black has mobilised heavy pieces towards white king and optically stands better.. evaluations may say that the position is equal afte 31. Bc4 but i guess optically black looks like attacking.. i am sorry i cant analyse any better than this in 15 mins with no comp. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | IMDONE4: Kajkarin shouldve just repeated moves at move 28, I appreciate his fighting spirit, but possibilities for advantage at that point I dont really think couldve amounted to anything (correct me if im wrong) |
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| Feb-01-07 | | positionalgenius: <sheaf>...Nxg2! is beautiful. Topalov's play is well beyond a 2700.
And,like I said,Topalov didn't win this game "out of the opening". |
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| Feb-02-07 | | sheaf: in my posts i Rf6=Rf3, Nxg7=Nxg2 |
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| Apr-03-11 | | Whitehat1963: Beautiful, and remarkably complicated. |
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| Sep-19-14 | | Whitehat1963: Someone needs to play Guess the Move on this for the 10 game so it can register a score in the top 40. |
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