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Gata Kamsky vs Magnus Carlsen
World Cup (2005) (rapid), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 7, Dec-17
Slav Defense: Exchange Variation. Symmetrical Line (D14)  ·  1-0



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Dec-17-05  thomaspaine: What a blunder on the last move! I guess it was probably time trouble (39nth move).
Dec-18-05  Inf: umm i dont see the blunder?? what are you talking about?
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  WannaBe: <Inf> Black can't recapture the rook, so black just lost the bishop for nothing.

If 39...exf5 40. Qxe8+ Kh7 white is up a knight and 2 pawns. Hard for black to win.

May-13-06  MagnaPsygnosis: Gata kamsky Tought Carlsen a trick or two...
Kamsky is out of carlsen's league and reach
Jun-05-06  dycotiles: ... and I am sure Carlsen will learn those tricks quickly. It won't be long before Carlsen gets into Kamsky league!
Jun-09-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <dycotiles>
Carlsen will never surpass Kamsky.... unless if magnus can learn those tricks in the next 800 years.
Jun-10-06  Chess Classics: <MagnaPsygnosis> For the last time, are you being serious when you bash Carlsen? Because if you aren't, it's just insipid.

Carlsen's Current Rating: 2646. He's a 16 year old kid-he's not only going to learn, he's going to learn fast. Kamsky is rating 2671. You call that out of reach?!?! What a joke.

And take his performance at the olympiad-it was simply brilliant! His performance was something like 2750. Besides, they drew there.

I should just stop wasting my time on this conversation.


Jul-15-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <Chess Classics> <dycotiles> Look
I am free of my own opinion, and my opinion is simple and easy to understand. I am not saying that Carlsen is weak... what i am saying is that he is not Kamsky or any other in that range. I dont care what the elo say. He makes mighty IM tough.
Jul-15-06  THE pawn: Strange thing he beat Kamsky in a nice game though, in the same tournament. Really really strange.
Jul-16-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <The Pawn>
What is even more strange... if you look at all the games defeated against him... there is alot of unknown IM's...mmmm very strange indeed.
Jul-19-06  THE pawn: And Kamsky didn't?
Jul-22-06  MagnaPsygnosis: To be honoust...I am not sure against what weak players (IMs) Kamsky lost against. BUT i am sure that he didnt lost against as much of IMs as Magnus did.
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  alexmagnus: Well, <MagnaPsygnosis>, if you take only Magnus' games since he is over 2600 you won't find many games Magnus lost to IMs. He didn't lose many games AT ALL in that period, and, I think,the lowest rated player he lost to was Berge Ă˜stenstad in the last Norwegian Championship.
Jul-22-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <alexmagnus>
Seems to me u didnt see any of his bad performances.... which gives u even less reason to argue... ...besides... this game u r refer to is in the last tournament he played....nice last
Jul-23-06  THE pawn: <BUT i am sure that he didnt lost against as much of IMs as Magnus did.>

Show me the list, and I'll agree.

<I am not sure against what weak players (IMs) Kamsky lost against.>

Weak players? Every super Gm lost games against masters and international masters. Generally, they do not have the GM title because they do not play as much as a GM would do, so the core of our argument is useless, as IMs are really strong anyway. So losing to a IM is in no way a shame.

Jul-23-06  NOKRO: Magnus Carlsen is the young man to watch!!
Jul-24-06  Bufon: Well, Carlsen obviously is a brilliant young kid, and he may lack of the experience of Kamsky and some others, but hey, he is not Radjabov, who started as the "prodigy" and then kept improving very slowly, no, this kid is <learning fast> and <works hard> to combine his enormous talent with learning <two or three tricks> very fast, and <he beat kamsky> by the way.

Why is you dont like Carlsen <MagnaPsygnosis>?? juat for curiosity, i just wanna know.

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  alexmagnus: <MagnaPsygnosis> I know Carlsen's performances very good - I didn't miss any game of him since 2002! And I can't remember any game he lost to an IM after reaching 2600. As I say, the Norwegian Championship seems to be his weakest tournament in that time, there he lost to Ostenstad and drew FM Tallaksen, but well, his performance was still 2669. Which bad performances are you talking about?
Jul-24-06  TylerD: MagnaPsygnosis... I also want to know why you are dropping these sarcasms on Carlsen. I hope there is a real reason, not just that he is from the "wrong country" for our liking...

Jul-28-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <Bufon><TylerD> To answer your questions - he is walking the same route as Radjabov Panomariov... only more rapidly.

You can find some of his bad performances by:
1. Look for Carlsen games in
2. Filter the results by selecting carlsen loosing.

I admit, sometimes he is very good, but other times he is just plain insignificant. I have been studying GM games for the past 11 years under high detail, and i pick up a flavour of the day player very quickly. Maybe, he will grow up someday to become a real champion, but at this stage, personally, I dont look up to him... Another example is Josh Waitzkin (although he never reached the GM status).

On a more personal plain... I am not negative, and i am not discriminating, but I am not impressed by him. It must be remembered that although GM is the second most expensive title to earn (next to world champion), not all GM's are 'good', as the term good can only be used relatively. I know I am not a GM yet, but there are GM's out there I do NOT fear, and do NOT respect. And this is not because of personal taste, race, country, age, gender, etc.

Oct-09-07  arnaud1959: Very interesting to read comments made 1 or 2 years ago: <Carlsen will never surpass Kamsky.... unless if magnus can learn those tricks in the next 800 years.>!! <Looks like 8 ... Bb4 was the root of all troubles. 8 ... Nd7 is *theoretically* a better way to play in the opening.> There was a time where 8.-Bb4 was considered the best continuation and even today it is not so bad.
Mar-09-08  PAWNTOEFOUR: <MagnaPsygnosis>..........well it's a couple of years later.........change your mind now?
Aug-29-21  siggemannen: Yeah, ain't Carlsen the worst
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  perfidious: Yeah, Carlsen is the anti GOAT. (rolls eyes)
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  Messiah: Ouch! :-)
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