| Feb-26-21 | | stacase: That was a lot easier than earlier this week. I didn't bother looking at what happened after 23...Qxb3 |
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Feb-26-21
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Never understood why the c4-c5 lines don't enjoy more popularity. The combination of vast bloodthirstiness with little theory to memorize ought to appeal to more weekend players. Impressed with how Paoli strengthened his attack after winning material. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | mel gibson: I saw this one today.
Stockfish 13 says:
21. Rxe6+
(21. Rxe6+ (♖e2xe6+ f7xe6 ♕h3xh5+ ♔e8-d7 ♕h5xg4 ♕b7-d5
h2-h4 ♕d5-f5 ♕g4-c4 ♗f8-e7 b3-b4 c5xb4 ♕c4xb4 ♖a8-a7 a2-a4 ♕f5-d5 a4-a5
♗e7-f6 ♘f3-d4 ♖a7-a6 ♖a1-b1 ♗f6xd4 c3xd4 ♖a6xa5 ♕b4-b8 ♔d7-e7 ♖b1-b7+
♕d5xb7 ♕b8xb7+ ♔e7-f6 g2-g4 e6-e5 d4xe5+ ♖a5xe5 f2-f4 ♖e5-c5 ♔g1-f2 ♔f6-g6
♔f2-e3 ♔g6-h7) +4.73/38 247)
score for White +4.73 depth 38 |
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| Feb-26-21 | | saturn2: White is better developed and has initiative to gain pawn(s) advantage
21. Txe6 fxe6 (K moves or Be7 not better) 22. Qxh5+ Kd8 23. Qxg4 Qxb3 24. Qf4 |
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| Feb-26-21 | | saturn2: In the gane 22....Ke7 instead of Kd7 seems to defend better |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Honey Blend: Black probably missed interposing with 22. ... ♕f7 as a better defense; either way two pawns down and his underdeveloped pieces isn't a lot of help either. |
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Feb-26-21
 | | al wazir: 21...Kd8 would have been better than 21...fxe6. White has nothing better than 22. Re3 g6. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Walter Glattke: White eins two pawns with 21.Rxe6+ fxe6 22.Qxh5+ Kd7 23.Qxg4 / 21.-Kd7 better |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Brenin: A good Saturday POTD, with a sting in the tail, namely 23 ... Qxb3: White is a P ahead, but with both Q-side Ps en prise and with back rank vulnerability. He needs the resource 24 Ne5+ (which is why 22 ... Kd8 might have been better than 22 ... Kd7), possible since 24 ... dxe5 loses Black's Q to 25 Rd1+. |
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Feb-26-21
 | | agb2002: White has a knight for a bishop.
After 21.Qxh5 Qxf3 22.Rxe6+ Kd8 White looks lost. This suggests changing the move order, so 21.Rxe6+: A) 21... fxe6 22.Qxh5+ recovers the rook with a considerable positional advantage. For example, 22... Kd8 23.Qxg4 Qxb3 24.Ng5 Qxc3 25.Rb1 and White can attack with all three pieces and needs only one move (h3) to guarantee the king safety while Black cannot. B) 21... Kd8 22.Re3 wins an important pawn with a much better position (22... g6 23.Rae1 looks overwhelming). C) 21... Be7 22.Rae1 Rxg2+ 23.Kxg2 fxe6 24.Qxe6 wins a pawn (24... Rxa2 25.Qg8+ Kd7 26.Rxe7+ Kxe7 27.Qxg7+ wins). |
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| Feb-26-21 | | malt: Had 21.R:e6+ fe6 22.Q:h5+ Kd8
(22...Ke7 23.Q:g4 Q:b3 24.Re1 )
23.Q:g4 Q:b3 24.Ng5 R:a2 25.Re1 e5 26.Qf5 Ke7
27.h3 Qg8 28.Rb1 Ra7 |
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Feb-26-21
 | | chrisowen: Yum keyins Rxe6 goodness affable boffin baffle ufobop i keyins yum that’s faiths friend hustle keyins viners reverend its vip pig wicks quodin a demarcate yum keyins july its art liquor muzes it ok keyins o hent penny go within cog key ie thrift Rh6 gotcha aidask Rg4 goodness affable apport flicks totadd friend etcetera keyins vigils enough Rxe6 etc: |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Refused: Didn't find anything better than
21.Rxe6+ fxe6 22.Qxh5+ 23.Qxg4 |
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| Feb-26-21 | | landshark: I love Tuesdays (: |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Clodhopper: Why 20. ..., Rg4??? What was black trying to accomplish with that move, anyway? |
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| Feb-26-21 | | RookFile: Maybe he wanted to follow up with ...g6 and ...Bg7. Aside from the tactical problem the game shows with this, the plan seems slow. |
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Feb-26-21
| | chrisowen: A repeat e6 longer fountain had ar yes no? |
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| Feb-26-21 | | goodevans: <Brenin> I suspect that black was expecting to see <24.Re1> which is why he didn’t play 22...Kd8. After 24.Re1 you'd want your K on d7 rather than d8. 22...Kd8 is objectively better but it's still losing and the move it loses to is much easier to see. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | belgradegambit: No credit unless you foresaw the knight move at the end. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | TheaN: <belgradegambit: No credit unless you foresaw the knight move at the end.> I applaud everyone that did, but I must disagree. Best move, yes. Crucial? No. Second, it kind of goes against principles to excessively analyze a line that is sub optimal (21....fxe6). It's a bit of the issue I have with this Friday. I was brain breaking myself over <21.Rxe6+ +-> Kd8. In hindsight, it just wins the crucial e6 pawn. Because 22.Re3 is best... which is an effective retreat and White's dominating, but nothing flashy. Instead, 21....fxe6 22.Qxh5+ Kd7 23.Qxg4 Qxb3, yes, 24.Ne5 is best, but Re1 or even h3 (that'd be a bit of a slap in the face) win. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | RandomVisitor: After 3...Nb6 and 3 hours of thinking the computer likes the four pawns attack:
click for larger viewStockfish_21022022_x64_modern:
<55/75 3:13:15 +0.59 4.d4 d6 5.f4> Bf5 6.Nc3 dxe5 7.fxe5 e6 8.Nf3 Be7 9.Be2 Nc6 10.0-0 0-0 11.Be3 f6 12.exf6 Bxf6 13.Qd2 Qe7 14.Kh1 h6 |
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| Feb-26-21 | | Refused: <Clodhopper: Why 20. ..., Rg4??? What was black trying to accomplish with that move, anyway?> Presumably meant to cover the h5 pawn, as 21.Qxh5? Would now lose to Qxf3 < TheaN: <belgradegambit: No credit unless you foresaw the knight move at the end.>
I applaud everyone that did, but I must disagree. Best move, yes. Crucial? No. Second, it kind of goes against principles to excessively analyze a line that is sub optimal (21....fxe6).It's a bit of the issue I have with this Friday. I was brain breaking myself over <21.Rxe6+ +-> Kd8. In hindsight, it just wins the crucial e6 pawn. Because 22.Re3 is best... which is an effective retreat and White's dominating, but nothing flashy. Instead, 21....fxe6 22.Qxh5+ Kd7 23.Qxg4 Qxb3, yes, 24.Ne5 is best, but Re1 or even h3 (that'd be a bit of a slap in the face) win.> Basically this. However in defense of <wasting time> on the inferior 21...fxe6. That is obviously the supposed critical line. After the more stubborn/superior 21...Kd8 white simply retrats the rook to e3 and enjoys a better position. Not really worth spending much thought on. |
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| Feb-26-21 | | goodevans: <TheaN>, <belgradegambit, <Refused> Just to add my two penneth worth, if the puzzle is to find the best move then 21.Rxe6+ is clearly the solution <regardless of whether you see through to 24.Ne5>. Any other (reasonable) move will be met with 21...g6 and black is very comfortable, if not better. Moves like 24.Re1 (what I had in mind) and 24.h3 might not give a winning advantage but they give some advantage at least, which is better than you'd get with any other 21st move for white. |
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| Feb-27-21 | | RandomVisitor: After 3...Nb6 and 11 hours of thinking the computer still likes the four pawns attack:
click for larger viewStockfish_21022022_x64_modern:
<62/81 10:41:44 +0.66 4.d4 d6 5.f4> dxe5 6.fxe5 Nc6 7.Be3 Bf5 8.Nc3 e6 9.Be2 Be7 10.Nf3 0-0 11.0-0 f6 12.exf6 Bxf6 13.Qd2 Qe7 14.Rad1 Rad8 |
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| Mar-26-21 | | RookFile: I remember Larry Christiansen wrote a book and he also liked the 4 pawns. It certainly is a natural continuation. After all, what is so terrific about a knight on b6? |
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Kibitzing
sac: 21.Rxe6+