| Dec-03-05 | | refutor: i bet you don't see this line at linares/wijk aan zee ;) great win by magnus, from a sporting point of view, not from a fritz point of view i'm sure |
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| Dec-03-05 | | roni.chessman: <from a sporting point of view, not from a fritz point of view i'm sure> I guess you are referring to inaccuracies? |
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| Dec-04-05 | | supertimchan: In my opinion without checking fritz I think white's 2 pieces shouldn't lose to the rook + pawns in the endgame around move 40. |
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| Dec-04-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: Wow!!! I just read the story on-line, then downloaded the games from ChessBase. Stunned to see young Carlsen play such a magnificent victory. (Although I echo the sentiments of the other kibitzers, I doubt all this is sound. And I did NOT use a computer on this game, not yet anyway.) |
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| Dec-04-05 | | azaris: Thank goodness he lost the second game so we now get a real decisive playoff instead of having this exciting pairoff decided by rubbish like this. |
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| Dec-04-05 | | euripides: Nice zugzwang on move 64. |
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| Dec-04-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: Young Carlsen seems <now> destined for great things. Who will stop him?
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Dec-04-05
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Certainly not you. |
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| Dec-04-05 | | Eatman: In an open position in the endgame R actually prevails quite often against a N+B, though in this particular instance it did look like white was better. |
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Dec-04-05
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <Stunned to see young Carlsen play such a magnificent victory.> <LIFE Master AJ> Wouldn't you say the main feature of this game is rather a horribly played endgame by Cheparinov? |
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| Dec-05-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: No. But Carlsen played in magnificent fashion. (Very daring.) I must note that Cheparinov won the following day to level the score and force a play-off. |
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <LIFE Master AJ> Then what do you say about moves like 64.Kb2? |
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| Dec-05-05 | | euripides: <Emperor> Is there anything better ? It looks like zugzwang to me. |
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <euripides> Well, why not 64.Ne6? |
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| Dec-05-05 | | euripides: <emperor> 64 Ne6 Rxf3 looks pretty bad for White. Maintaining a blockade after 64 Bb2 Kxa5 may be better than the game, though it's not obvious. |
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <euripides> Oops, perhaps you're right. But surely there must be something better than 64.Kb2? Yes, 64.Bb2 could be better. |
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <euripides> I had a look at the position with Crafty and Crafty doesn't like 64.Ne6 either, so I take that back. (by the way, Crafty suggests your move 64.Bb2!) And what about 61.Nd4 then? Why not 61.Ng1? Let's have a look at that with Crafty.... |
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| Dec-05-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Yes, Crafty prefers 61.Ng1 also. |
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| Dec-05-05 | | euripides: <Emperor> 61 Ng1 does look better. I don't know whether Black has any winning chances after 61...f5. The bishop is freer than in the game and even if Black springs a zugzwang he's likely to get a passed f pawn rather than a passed h pawn. The black king has no easy route into the position. White's position around move 23 doesn't look at all bad to me. If Carlsen had already judged that it offered him the better chances, and if he was right, then I think this is pretty impressive; I doubt if it would be obvious even at the 2500+ level. But probably White should not have allowed 29 ...Nd3. After that, Black has all the fun. |
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| Dec-06-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: Several have asked me to take a detailed look at this game ... Problem is, ALL the games are interesting, and deciding which ones to really take apart is truly a tough proposition. |
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| Dec-06-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Two more moves I have strong doubts about.......37.g4 and 58.Kc2. |
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| Mar-24-06 | | MoonlitKnight: Magnus actually declined a draw on move 50, even though the computers think he is losing. After Cheparinov had been knocked out, he complained that Magnus had twice declined a draw in a worse position and then gone on to win. |
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| Mar-24-06 | | MoonlitKnight: In comments to this game, Magnus also acknowledges that both sides made several bad moves in the endgame, and explains it with the FIDE time control, which is notorious for ruining endgames. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 10...Bxe2