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Gyula Sax vs Emil Hermansson
"Sax Sacs" (game of the day Feb-17-2011)
European Club Cup (2005), Saint Vincent ITA, rd 3, Sep-20
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance. Tal Variation (B12)  ·  1-0

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Jul-11-07  beenthere240: <MostlyAverageJoe: Very satisfactory puzzle. 21 ... Rh6 is another interesting defensive line to consider.> It certainly takes longer for white to win. Once black moves the king off the e file, his position collapses in a hurry. In your analysis did you have white take the g5 pawn and then bring the rook to d1 followed by pushing the f pawn? I don't see many sharp continuations.
Jul-11-07  nimzo knight: y does black keep playing after loosing the queen. It not only the material advantage but whites active queen and black "active" king will virtually take any chances from black to activate his pieces.
Jul-11-07  dabearsrock1010: Fairly easy because Nd5 sticks out like a sore thumb and you start to see all the variations working immediately
Jul-11-07  Crowaholic: Ok, first thing I notice is that Nd5+ forks K and Q. But if Black captures with the c pawn, this hangs the queen. White gets Q for N. If Black captures with the e pawn, this exposes the king to the f rook's check and at the same time allows the WQ to threaten d6. Since

18. Nd5+ cxd5 19. Rxc7

and

18. Nd5+ K(anywhere) 19. Nxc7

are clearly winning for White, I will now focus on

18. Nd5+ exd5

beginning with the obvious

19. Rfe1+.

After

19. ..Kd8 20. Re8#, there is not much to be said. So Black must play an interference.

19. ..Qe5 20. dxe5 wins on material grounds (again, it's Q for N)

19. ..Ne5 20. Rxe5+ Qxe5 21. dxe5 wins on material grounds.

19. ..Ne5 20. Rxe5+ Kd7 (or ..Kd8 Qe8#) 21. Qe6+ Kd8 22. Qe8#

Ok, that should do as the solution. Black either loses decisive material or gets check#d in short order. Not a hard find really.

Ok, after looking at the solution, I should have realized that White has already sac'ed a piece and is only 2 pawns up after 21. dxe5. So it's not that easy to win - not that It's hard either given the horrible position of Black's remaining pieces. Nice finish by Sax - after 25. Qf7+, Black is forced to play 25. ..Kd6 to avoid mate in 1 with 26. Re8#, but this allows White to win the h8 rook by means of a Q fork and then all hope is lost for Black.

26. b4 was mentioned, but 26. ..Rh6 causes complications. I don't see a quick mate, so I'd probably just take the R and leave it at that.

Jul-11-07  patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, the pursuit (decoy) knight fork pseudo-sacrifice 18. Nd5! +, set up by the sham sacrifice 17. 0-0!!, wins the Black Queen and the game.
Jul-11-07  newton296: nd5! looks like a winner . IT IS! funny black played on given the ease of white's play here.
Jul-11-07  Crowaholic: Self-correction: 26. b4 Rh6 27. hxg5 wins the rook and gets a strong passer. So although there is no mate yet, it's still better than 26. Qf6+
Jul-11-07
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  kevin86: 18 ♘d5+!! One of the most brilliant line-opening moves of all time!

The knight forks king and queen. The c-pawn is pinned to the queen by the rook,while the e-pawn opens up both the sixth rank and the file to white's pieces. Queen and knight fall in exchange for rook and knight. Black is lost-though he plays on for a few moves. Black did have a rook and bishop for the queen-but they were undeveloped and useless.

Jul-11-07  Timex: This was a nice puzzle.

The mate threat on e8 or whatever forced black to give up his knight first, then the queen, in order to clear up some squares for a queen. The Nd5+ is the perfect way to set the threat up.

It's funny how when you stare at a position played OTB before, you will get the answer easily than if you play that position against someone.

Jul-11-07
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  playground player: Nd5 -another one of those moves that jumps right out at you. Jumped right out at me, at least.
Jul-11-07
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  fm avari viraf: A very nice tactical game by the Hungarian GM Sax. Black's King is caught in the center & his pieces lack co-ordination. Therfore the most logical move would be 18.Nd5+ & Black is forced to grab with 18...exd5 opening up the e-file for White which was enough to get the Black into a mating net.
Jul-11-07  ruzon: <Timex: It's funny how when you stare at a position played OTB before, you will get the answer easily than if you play that position against someone.>

It's the fact that it's a puzzle, therefore you start out knowing that there is a solution, which the actual players have to figure out themselves. If the puzzle master threw in some draw positions that forced us to ask the question "Is there a win?" instead of "What is the winning (or saving) line?" the kibitzing would look a lot different.

Jul-12-07  resty: i didnt get the puzzle, poor me. i only looked at 18.d5
Jul-13-07  patzer2: After reading <fm avari viraf>'s comment, I've decided to classify the combination beginning with 18. Nd5+!! as a clearance pseudo-sacrifice. It opens up (i.e. clears) the e-file for the decisive Rook check.
Feb-17-11
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  Phony Benoni: Were you expecting positional play from a guy with a name like Gyula?

So what was the idea behind 14...f6? Black was obviously a good enough player to foresee some of the consequences. If he was just being provocative, it worked. Boy, did it work.

Feb-17-11  Oceanlake: As others have said, f6 looks bad. Hwever, it's hard to find a move in view of White's development and the possibility of Nb5. Black probably is already lost against and equal opponent.

Putting the Queen on b6 at least gives the possibility of Be7 even if the King has to retake. Also, though I don't know theory, h6 instead of h5 keeps the White Bishop from g5.

Feb-17-11  rilkefan: What about 14...Bb4?
Feb-17-11
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: The power of the Bg5 is astonishing. Even if Black had played 11...0-0-0 (and that might not be good after 12.Nb5!?), the Ne7 is still pinned against the Rd8. In my time the c2-c4 variations of the Advance C-K were considered very weak because of the hole at d5. Games like this show the hole to be of little importance.
Feb-17-11
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  scormus: I remember as a schoolboy wondering why not 3. e5 against the C-K. Then I read that it was supposed to be good for B who would play .... Bf5 unhindered. If I remember right Botvinnik regined the WCC against Tal with C-K and neutralised 3. e5.

Also playing W's first 5 moves here would have got me kicked out of the school team (actually I did get kicked out).

Its nice to see this line revived and winning so impressivley, even if it was against some rather questionable opening play.

BTW I didnt get the pun unless this has anything to do with it ;)

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/cl...

Feb-17-11  vamsi683: Nice game
Feb-17-11  David2009: In today's GOTD Sax vs E Hermansson, 2005


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is the position after 14...f6!?. White rises to the provocation with 15.Qg6+ Ke7 16.exf6+ gxf6 17.0-0 to reach


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and now Black plays 17...fxg5? Much better is 17...Qg6! unpinning the c6 Pawn. Craft End Game Trainer link to the position after 17...fxg5? http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... and now this is an easy win isn't it...Oops.

I finally managed a shaky victory. I am sure you will do much better! Have a go in the free Internet link above. You are white, drag and drop the move you want to make. Good luck!

Feb-17-11
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  kevin86: After 33...♔d6,I have the quiet move 34 b4!-Δ mate and blocking the king's escape.
Feb-17-11
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  Phony Benoni: <scormus> Nothing subtle about the pun. It simply plays on the similarity in sound--at least to American ears--between the name "Sax" and the term "sacs", short for sacrfices.

We've seen variants of it before, such as "Sacs Sacks Sax" for Karpov vs Sax, 1983,

Jun-01-13  Cemoblanca: "Sax and the City". ;)

My fav move are 15.Qg6+!, 17.0-0!! and 18.Nd5+!! After 25.Qf7+ Kd6 26.b4! Rh6 27.hxg5 Black is lost soon.

Wonderful game. :)

Feb-16-14  Eduardo Bermudez: Sax and the City !
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