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Krikor Sevag Mekhitarian vs Walter Arencibia Rodriguez
American Continental Championship (2005), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 5, Aug-10
Rat Defense: Accelerated Gurgenidze (B07)  ·  1-0

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Jan-08-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  OrangeTulip: You really have to see the mate pattern in a split second. If not start training tactics, and forget openings
Jan-08-19  AlicesKnight: Found 17.Bb6 - deflecting the Q or winning at least a piece.
Jan-08-19
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  Dionysius1: That's really bad advice! Why totally forget openings?
Jan-08-19
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  perfidious: Simple deflexion: Bb6.

Killtown.

Jan-08-19  mel gibson: I saw that Black would be in big trouble with the solution move.

Stockfish 10 is not showing any fast checkmate:

17. Bb6

(17. Bb6 (♗e3-b6 ♕c7-d6 ♕d2xd6
♗f8xd6 ♖d1xd6 ♔e8-f8 ♘g1-e2 ♔f8-g7 ♗g4xh5 g6xh5 ♘e2-g3 ♖h8-f8 ♘g3xh5+ ♔g7-h8 ♖h1-d1 c6-c5 ♗b6-d8 ♔h8-g8 ♗d8-e7 ♖f8-c8 ♖d6-h6 ♖c8-c6 ♘h5-f6+ ♖c6xf6 g5xf6 ♔g8-h8 ♗e7xc5 ♗b7-c6 ♖d1-d6 ♗c6-e8 ♖h6-h5 a6-a5 ♗c5-e3 ♔h8-g8 ♖h5-g5+ ♔g8-h8 ♖g5xe5 ♔h8-g8 ♖d6-a6 ♖a8-d8 ♖e5-g5+ ♔g8-h8) +11.05/34 91)

score for White +11.05 depth 34

Jan-08-19  Walter Glattke: E) 17.-Bb4 18.Bd7+ Kd8 19.Bxc7+ E2) 18.-Kf8/e7 19.Qxb4+ wins the queen E3) 18.-Qxd7 19.Qxd7+ Kf8 20.Qxb7
Jan-08-19  malt: Noticed the weakness at d7
17.Bb6 Qd6
(17...Q:b6 18.Qd7# )
(17...Qe7 18.Bd7+ Q:d7 19.Q:d7# )
18.Q:d6 B:d6 19.R:d6
Jan-08-19  saturn2: How to continue after

13...cxd5 14. Qxd5 Rb8?

Jan-08-19
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  perfidious: <saturn2>, 15.Bxd7+ and 16.Qxe5+ offers no succour.
Jan-08-19  zb2cr: Count me among the 17. Bd7+ crowd.
Jan-08-19  saturn2: <perfidious> thx. So 13...white to play is for wednesday or thursday.
Jan-08-19
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  thegoodanarchist: I feel as if I've seen this before, in a tactics puzzle book or software...
Jan-08-19  et1: Qd7 Qtakes Bd7 + does not work ?
Jan-08-19  Henrychn: If 13...Nxd5, what¡¯s the white¡¯s response?
Jan-08-19  Henrychn: Sorry, 13...cxd5
Jan-08-19  BOSTER: < devere>:<17. Bb6 losing a piece>. This is correct, but is more attractive to play Bb6 when black king on d8. So 17.Bd7+.
Jan-08-19  TheaN: Tuesday 8 January 2019

<17.?>

A relatively simple concept deflection with <17.Bb6>, but the position screams for so much more.

Alas. Stockfish does something interesting: it starts with 17.Bd7+ Kd8 18.Bg4+ Ke8, only now to play 19.Bb6. It does take out Black's castling which is useful, but is seemingly evaluating less than 17.Bb6 immediately which doesn't make sense.

Can White do more with these very strongly placed pieces? No, surprisingly. After the main line <17.Bb6 Qd6>, <18.Bd7+?!> is not theoretically better than just Qxd6 straight away, due to <18....Kxd7! 19. Qc1 +-> and White's winning, but not more than by just taking the piece and paralyzing Black.

Jan-08-19  nasher: <TheaN> I agree that Stockfish starting with Bd7+ is strange, but it does NOT keep Black from castling ... Black's move 15 was Kd8.
Jan-08-19  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4 <d 23 dpa done

1. + / = (0.65): 9...exd4> 10.Qxd4 h6 11.h4 a6 12.Bf4 Qb6 13.Qxb6 Nxb6 14.Bxd6 Bxd6 15.Rxd6 Ke7 16.Rd2 Rad8 17.Rhh2 Nfd7 18.Nd1 Ne5 19.Ne3 Bc8 20.b3 Be6 21.Kb2 Kf6 22.h5 g5 23.Bd3 Kg7 24.Rd1 Nbd7 25.Rhd2

2. + / - (0.72): 9...h6 10.dxe5 dxe5 11.h4 Nb6 12.Qf2 Qc7 13.a3 b4 14.axb4 Bxb4 15.Na2 Be7 16.Bd3 Rd8 17.Ne2 h5 18.g5 Nfd7 19.Nac3 0-0 20.Rhe1 Rfe8 21.Rd2 Bb4 22.Red1 Bd6 23.b3 Re6 24.f4 exf4 25.Nxf4 Re7 26.Bf1

Jan-08-19  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4 d 23 dpa done

1. + / = (0.69): 9.dxe5 dxe5 10.Nh3 Qc7 11.a3 Rd8 12.Be2 a5 13.Na2 Bg7 14.Nf2 0-0 15.Qd6 Qc8 16.Nc1 Rfe8 17.Qd2 Qc7 18.Qc3 b4 19.axb4 axb4 20.Qxb4 c5 21.Qc3 Ra8 22.Nb3 Bf8 23.Bc4 Nb6

2. + / = (0.69): 9.Nh3 Qc7 10.dxe5 dxe5 11.a3 Rd8 12.Be2 a5 13.Na2 Bg7 14.Nf2 0-0 15.Qd6 Qc8 16.Nc1 Rfe8 17.Qd2 Qc7 18.Qc3 b4 19.axb4 axb4 20.Qxb4 c5 21.Qc3 Ra8 22.Nb3 Bf8 23.Bc4 Nb6

Jan-08-19  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4 <d 25 dpa done

1. = (0.21): 8...h5> 9.Bf4 e5 10.dxe5 dxe5 11.Be3 Be7 12.Nh3 0-0 13.Ng5 Nb6 14.Qf2 Nfd7 15.Qg3 Qe8 16.Bd3 b4 17.Ne2 c5 18.c3 Rd8 19.Bb5 a6 20.Bd3 a5 21.h4 Bc6 22.f4 c4 23.Bc2

Jan-09-19  Henrychn: 13.Nd5 cxd5 14 Qxd5 Rb8 15 Bxd7 Bxd7 16. Qxe5 Be7 then what?
Jan-09-19  Henrychn: ah! 17.Qxh8 Queen forks two rooks
Jan-09-19  TheaN: <nasher: <TheaN> I agree that Stockfish starting with Bd7+ is strange, but it does NOT keep Black from castling ... Black's move 15 was Kd8.>

Hah. Shows that my CG puzzle vision is the <move-to-play and what follows>. Both players could start the game with 60 times Nf1-Nf6-Ng1-Ng8 and I probably wouldn't notice when solving it :>

Jan-09-19  TheaN: And 1.Nf1 would definitely be impressive. *Nf3.
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