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Magnus Carlsen vs Atle Groenn
"Groenn in Agony" (game of the day Aug-02-2009)
Norwegian Championship (2005), Sandnes NOR, rd 9, Jul-09
Semi-Slav Defense: Anti-Moscow Gambit (D44)  ·  1-0

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Aug-02-09  SirChrislov: I hate to see a game end so soon with black's rooks still immobilized, just sittin' far away in the corner like two dumb old elephants. What do you need your heavy artillery for if you're not going to use it?

Black's play in this game was just UGLY. He deserves a kick in the Groenn.

I'm sorry but not worthy of GOTD.

Aug-02-09  AnalyzeThis: This game is like Morphy vs. amatuer.
Aug-02-09  WhiteRook48: no this game is like Anderssen/Morphy/Steinitz vs amateur
Aug-02-09
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  Moondoll: After move 16, Black has exactly 2 pieces developed, with a handful of pawn moves, while White's entire camp is poised for attack!
Aug-02-09
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  Moondoll: <Chessmensch: I agree with <percyblakeney>. What was Groenn thinking with 16..b6?> Fritz11 agrees also giving b6 a ?? and indicates the more natural "0-0 'saving the game'" would have been more prudent.
Aug-02-09  alayo: I propose to name the final mating pattern: Carlsen's Mate! A combined effort between the rook at f7, the pawn at d4, the enemy bishop (only a bishop - any other piece would have defended the king) blocking the king at d6 and the queen (or bishop for that matter) delivering mate from c4.
Aug-02-09  ROO.BOOKAROO: And, further, what was Groenn thinking with 18. ...Qh5? Why not castle immediately, 18. ...0-0? Black would still have defensive potential, underdeveloped as he may still be.
Aug-03-09
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  kevin86: the mate is unusual. The queen mates as well as holds the rook.
Aug-03-09  Chessmensch: Thanks <Moondoll>. I can't get my Fritz to run on my new Vista Enterprise 64-bit. The vendor won't help. What are you running it on and do you have any suggestions?
Oct-01-09  hardliner: Manus was 14 when playing this game. A bit unfair to compare it with later games against the super GMs
Oct-10-09  pts92: I find the mating position extreamely beautiful. Carlsen's play as a kid looks like Morphy's at his prime. Maybe I exagerate a bit, but Carlsen seems a worthy succesor of the great Morphy.
Jan-29-10  ChessYouGood: Carlsen is a lot better than Morphy
Apr-10-10  funkymihir: hey guys do u think carlsen will be a world champ????? can he beat the best. of course he has been beating them but can he continue this trend???
Apr-10-10
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  HeMateMe: <Carlsen is a lot better than Morphy>

I agree, although such a statement might get you branded a heretic, around here. If you look at the competition Morphy faced, none are thought of as high level players except for Adolph Anderssen. Most are not even thought of as strong GMs, compared to today's players. Then, take a look at the murderers row Carlsen faced at the Tal Memorial, and at Linares.

May-30-10  funkymihir: WELL i think comparing modern grandmasters to morphy and capablanca is not correct as morphy did not have engines and 2nds to help them analyse so carlsen gets a lot better through thorough coaching
Oct-21-10  Naugh: That's probably the neatest mate with a queen I've ever seen.
Aug-24-11  sevenseaman: 22. Carlsen's maneuver here is very imaginative and concise. Bg4+ too looks a great move! A tad longer route.
Mar-27-13  prakashvsingh: suprb carlsen
May-26-17
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  yiotta: Carlsen has excellent chess vision. I can't think of anyone with as many unusual mates to their credit.
Dec-15-17  Artemio: Morphy work it out by himself;;;Carlsen have all the support in the world so its not correct to say that he is much much better than Morphy...as Bobby Fischer once said Morphy can beat them all if he has all the things that modern grandmasters have today,,,
May-05-19  Patzer Natmas: Great checkmate! @funkymihir - he's still beating top GMs 9 years later...
Aug-01-21  Gaito: After 7...Ne4? Black neglected the rapid development of his pieces for the sake of winning a measly pawn. He received a drastic punishment on the hands of the 14-year old Norwegian genius. Black should have played 7...Be7 (Development!)

I believe that Magnus Carlsen, Judit Polgar, Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer may be the strongest players at the age of 14 who have walked the planet, and very possibly Magnus should be at the top of the list.

Aug-01-21  Gaito: I have never heard of Atle Groenn before, but judging by his play I suspect he must have had something like 1600 to 1650 of rating, not more. Of course, his weak moves (like 14...Bd6?) allowed Magnus to shine; but that was exactly what happened with Paul Morphy around 1857: most of his opponents were very weak players who had a poor understanding of chess, and that allowed Paul Morphy to shine. But it was not Morphy's fault that his opponents played so badly. Yet even against stronger opponents like Daniel Harrwitz or Adolf Anderssen, Paul Morphy showed that he was capable of beating them, albeit not in short miniatures.
Aug-01-21  alfamikewhiskey: IM Grønn is a well-known chess commentator ('pundit') in national television. Also a professor of Russian (https://www.hf.uio.no/ilos/english/...)
Aug-01-21
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  saffuna: Black plays like a basic computer program I play against. Doesn't develop his queenside pieces.
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