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Baadur Jobava vs Magnus Carlsen
"Georgia Peach" (game of the day Nov-03-2012)
European Championship (2005), Zegrze POL, rd 5, Jun-22
Slav Defense: Czech. Carlsbad Variation (D17)  ·  1-0



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Nov-03-12  kevin86: The game shows the great powers and mobility of the queen. If she got paid by the mile,she would have had a lawyer's salary.(or A-Rod's),whichever is higher.
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  playground player: <kevin86> If the Queen was A-Rod, she would stop moving and taking pieces as soon as you entered endgame. You would have to pinch-hit for her.
Nov-03-12  The Last Straw: Carlsen probably should take better care of his king next time!
Nov-03-12  leo.bulero: Hello, I am a beginner in chess. A wonderful game indeed. A question: could someone explain the meaning of 5 a4 to me, please? Thank you!
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  ketchuplover: to discourage 5...b5 perhaps?
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  FSR: <<leo.bulero: Hello, I am a beginner in chess. A wonderful game indeed. A question: could someone explain the meaning of 5 a4 to me, please? Thank you!>

ketchuplover: to discourage 5...b5 perhaps?>

Right. White would like to play 5.e4, but that would be met by 5...b5, when White would be playing a gambit.

Nov-04-12  Infohunter: <FSR:


Dammit, why oh why haven't they used "Smoking Winston" for C Van Tilbury vs P J Winston, 1977?>

Say, do you remember this old commercial? One of my all-time favorites:

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  FSR: <Infohunter> I remember the slogan, and the grammatical controversy (English teachers said it should be "Winston tastes good <as> a cigarette should," moving the manufacturer to ask its addicts, er customers, whether they preferred good grammar or good taste), but not this exact commercial, which apparently aired five years before I was born. Amazing to realize that back in the day the tobacco manufacturers had the casts of <The Beverly Hillbillies> and even <The Flintstones> (!!) peddling their poison.
Nov-04-12  Infohunter: <FSR> Oh, I remember that came out in 1959. If memory serves the show that first popularized the ungrammatical internal rhyme was "I've Got a Secret" starring Gary Moore. "The Flintstones", by the way, began on ABC in 1960 as an adult-oriented animated show--an obvious knock-off of "The Honeymooners". After a couple of seasons it was realized that, because it was animated, it was appealing to kids, so they replaced Winston with such sponsors as (first) One-A-Day brand multiple vitamins and (later) Welch's grape juice.

For my taste, Winstons weren't too bad as filter cigarettes go, but I liked R.J. Reynolds' original non-filtered brand, Camels, as my number one cigarette, with the American Tobacco Company's Pall Malls as my second choice. Filter cigarettes just never appealed to me very much.

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  FSR: <Infohunter> Fortunately I avoided the noxious habit and became an Internet addict instead.
Nov-04-12  Infohunter: I quit smoking cold turkey on Saturday, October 16, 1999, at 1:16 p.m. Funny thing is, exactly two weeks later I got my first Internet-capable computer. I never would have given that coincidence a thought had it not been for your latest comment, <FSR>. You just never know what might crop up on the pages of good old <cg>. Why, sometimes we even talk about chess!
May-16-17  Saniyat24: Would 20...Na2 by Carlsen could have been an option?
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  Messiah: WASTED.

Ouch! :-)

Nov-12-22  mel gibson: I didn't see that.
I'm doing badly this week.
I thought 25. Qxh7 but forgot that Black can castle leading to an almost drawn game.

Stockfish 15 says:

25. Nb5

(25. Nb5 (♘c3-b5 c6xb5 ♗e4xb7 ♗b3-f7 ♕h8xh7 ♗f7-g6 ♕h7-h8 ♗g6-f7 ♗b7xa8 ♕d6-e6 ♔a1-b1 b5xa4 ♕h8-c3 ♗f8-d6 ♗a8-c6+ ♔e8-e7 ♖f1-f3 ♕e6-g6+ ♔b1-c1 ♕g6-g5+ ♕c3-e3+ ♕g5xe3+ ♖f3xe3+ ♔e7-f6 ♖e3-f3+ ♔f6-g7 h2-h3 ♗f7-c4 e2-e4 ♗c4-e2 ♖f3-c3 ♔g7-f6 ♗c6xa4 ♔f6-g5 ♖c3-c6 ♗d6-f4+ ♔c1-c2 ♗e2-f3 ♖c6-c5+ ♔g5-h4 e4-e5 ♔h4xh3 e5-e6 ♗f4-d6 ♖c5-c3 ♔h3-g4 ♗a4-c6 ♗f3-e2 ♖c3-e3 ♗e2-c4 e6-e7 ♗c4-f7 ♗c6-d5 ♗f7-e8 ♖e3-e6 ♗d6-f4 b2-b4 ♔g4-f5 ♔c2-b3 ♗f4-g5 ♖e6-e2 ♗e8-b5 ♔b3-c3 ♗g5-f6+ ♔c3-c2 ♗b5-e8) +6.72/43 480)

score for White +6.72 depth 43.

Nov-12-22  Brenin: I looked at 25 Nb5 cxb5 26 Bxb7 Rb8 27 Bc6+, overlooking that 27 ... Ke7 allows mate after 28 Qxh7+. Instead I decided on 25 Qxh7 0-0-0 (assumed to be legal) 26 h4, hoping to promote the h-pawn. Clearly, I missed the strength of the beautiful move 25 Nb5.
Nov-12-22  Mayankk: A very difficult game to calculate. Even if you somehow figure out till 25 Nb5 cxb5 26 Bxb7 Rb8 27 Bc6+ Kd8 (since 27 ... Qxc6 as well as 27 .... Kd7 look too dangerous), White has so many options on each move from here onwards, given the mobility of his Queen and Rook, and calculating the side-lines is nigh impossible for patzers like me.

As for me, I was hoping the solution will be something simple like 25 Rxf8 or 25 Rf6. While I noticed 25 Nb5, I didn't know how it would pan out.

Nov-12-22  eaglewing: 36. ... Rb6 going into a pin looks really bad. Should 36. ... Kxa4 not be fine? Now, Rf4 even loses following Kb3+. And 37. Qc2+ Ka5 38. Qc7+ repeats.
Nov-12-22  jrredfield: I pondered a few moves. 25 Nb5 was not one of them, never occurred to me. I was leaning toward 25 Rxf8 briefly, but that leads to a draw. Pretty much way over my head on this one.
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  scormus: That's tough!
I didn't appreciate the strength of 25 Nb5, and I couldn't see anything else that looked promising. All I was left with is Qxh7, which OTB I'd have played. But it didn't look right here.

The key was exploiting the pin on the Bf8 and the BQ's limited move options. Even so, it needed quite a bit of patient work to see it through. If Nb5 was a bomb, it was slow to detonate.

Again, nothing for me. I don't even get the pun as a consolation prize

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  Check It Out: Baduur is from the country Georgia and this is a peach of a game.
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  perfidious: <Mayankk: A very difficult game to calculate. Even if you somehow figure out till 25 Nb5 cxb5 26 Bxb7 Rb8 27 Bc6+ Kd8 (since 27 ... Qxc6 as well as 27 .... Kd7 look too dangerous), White has so many options on each move from here onwards, given the mobility of his Queen and Rook, and calculating the side-lines is nigh impossible for patzers like me....>

To put it mildly; this was a tremendous fight which was a credit to both players and I did not spot 25.Nb5, though on reflexion, there appears little else if White wishes to stay active.

Nov-12-22  Cellist: I did see the first 4 moves and assumed that White might sooner or later pick up the loose B on b3, which is what happened in the game. I could not calculate all the moves, of course, and it is intriguing that White at some point is only a pawn up, albeit with far more mobile pieces and with the Black K relatively exposed. In a game, I might have traded Queens on move 29, which leaves White with two pawns up and an advantage of 1.63 according to the engine.
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  chrisowen: I martyr query its hoof juvenile Nb5 goofball and cliff muffle ebb and ducky nocturnal its ho acrid mid von bought Nb5 uba :(
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  scormus: <Check It Out> Cool. A peach of a pun. I was thinking GA instead of GE
Nov-12-22  agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair.

Black is about to castle long (CG should add castling availability information with the puzzle).

The black queen is tied to the defense of the bishop on f8. This suggests 25.Nf5 (the alternative 25.Bf5 looks much weaker due to 25... Qe7 and if 26.Rg1, to prevent Qg7, then 26... Be6):

A) 25... cxb5 26.Bxb7

A.1) 26... Rd8 27.Bc6+

A.1.a) 27... Qxc6 28.Rxf8+ Ke7 (28... Kd7 29.Rxd8+ wins) 29.Qg7+ Ke6 (29... Kd6 30.Rxd8+) 30.Qf6+ (30.Rxd8 Qc1#) 30... Kd5(7) 31.Qxc6+ Kxc6 32.Rxd8 wins the exchange.

A.1.b) 27... Ke7 28.Qxh7+ Ke6 29.Qf5+ Ke7 30.Qg5+ and mate next.

A.1.c) 27... Rd7 28.Bxd7+ followed by Qxf8, wins.

A.2) 26... Rb8 27.Bc6+

A.2.a) 27... Qxc6 28.Qxf8+ Kd7 29.Qxb8 wins decisive material.

A.2.b) 27... Kd8 28.Qxf8+

A.2.b.i) 28... Qxf8 29.Rxf8+ Kc7 30.Rxb8 Kxb8 31.Bxb5 + - [2P].

A.2.b.ii) 28... Kc7 29.Qxd6+ Kxd6 30.Bxb5 + - [2P].

A.2.c) 27... Ke7 28.Qxh7+ Ke6 (28... Kd8 29.Rxf8+ Qxf8 30.Qd7#) 29.Qf5+ as in A.1.b.

B) 25... Qe7 26.Nc7+ wins decisive material (26... Qxc7 27.Qxf8+ Kd7 28.Qxa8).

C) 25... Qb4 26.Nc7+

C.1) 26... Kd8 27.Qxf8+ Qxf8 28.Rxf8+ Kxc7 29.Rxa8 is winning.

C.2) 26... Kd7 27.Qxh7+ followed by Nxa8 should be winning. For example, 27... Be7 28.Nxa8 Qxa4+ 29.Kb1 Qa2+ 30.Kc1 Qa1+ 31.Bb1. Or 27... Kc8 28.Nxa8 Qxa4+ 29.Kb1 Ba2+ 30.Kc1 Bh6+ 31.Qxh6 Qxe4 32.Qf8+ Kd7 33.Qf5+.

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