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| May-13-05 | | fgh: I always had a lot of trouble against the Petrov, in particular the @#$%ing d5 - Ne4 - f5 conjuction. Later, I began to play the modern attack, winning around 65% of the games. Now, I don't play 1. e4 anymore, I switched to 1. e3. |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: development is all. all is nothing wihtout development. in chess or life !!! good luck my friends !!! |
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| May-13-05 | | hintza: <morostyle> What do you think about 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3? |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: yes fgh i knew it that black players hate it thats my point ! |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: let me check it one moment hintza |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: i think its bad for white hintz black can destroy whites pawn structure this move order will come also if white dont play the modern attaq this is against my idea |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: it think its a better advantage if white has a kings pawn and black dont |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: thats why 5.dxe !!! |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: losing pawn in front of blacks king is bad for black if white loses too then its equality. if white has a pawn on e and black not then white can fight !!! thats main idea |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: there is no doubt that e file is very important white having later a rook on e and a pawn is a prob for black no doubt.
if white has not a pawn then its very drawish i hope u understand and try plz hintza try one game and let me know how it work u wuold make me very happy i just want to share my experience i hope you too iam ready to learn !!!
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: fact 1 - black wants equality if playing petrove
fact 2 - you destroy his nerves destroying equality on the board with 5.dxe fact 3 - playing the "modern attaq" vs petrov defense will make your enemy think more |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: i mean its the whole thing in chess black wants to hold equality because white has first moves and plan and white wants to create unbalance to win thats why i think the modern attaq is best against the petrove.
correct me if iam wrong |
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May-13-05
 | | AgentRgent: I agree with morostyle in this case. I think the Modern Attack (C43) offers more for White than the standard Petrov (C42). Black still has good chances to draw, but that can't really be prevented if your going to play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3. |
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May-13-05
| | AgentRgent: I also think it's humorous that it's called the "Modern Attack", but it was played by Petrov himself! A Petrov vs Allies, 1837 |
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May-13-05
| | AgentRgent: Of course, after 1. e4 White's game is already in it's last throes! ;-D |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: wow thats new to me interesting AgentRgent i check dat game |
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| May-13-05 | | morostyle: wow very nice game a brutal fight in the center !!! |
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May-13-05
| | AgentRgent: Steinitz also played it: Steinitz vs Pillsbury, 1895
Steinitz vs Pillsbury, 1895 |
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| May-14-05 | | offramp: So what is this 'Modern Attack'? |
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| May-14-05 | | Shams: <offramp> <So what is this 'Modern Attack'?> I'm almost certain you are joking, but as a recent convert I'll bite: the modern attack is simply 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 |
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| May-14-05 | | Hesam7: From the official site:
<A top level novelty in Kramnik-Anand game1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.O-O Be7 8.c4
Nb4 9.Be2 O-O 10.Nc3 Bf5 11.a3 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Nc6 13.cxd5 Qxd5 14.Bf4 Na5 15.Bxc7 Rac8 16.Bxa5 Qxa5 17.c4 Bf6 18.Bd3 Bg4 19.h3 Bxf3 20.Qxf3 20.Qd8! That’s the point - a very-high class novelty! Since Karpov’s time it’s been usually played here 20.Rcd8 or 20.Rfd8, but without clear equality. Here is the example: 20..Rcd8 21.Rab1 Bxd4 22. Rxb7 g6 23.Be4 Rd6 24. Rb5 Qc7 25. Rd5 Rf6, etc. Zhang Zhong 2636 – Karpov,An. 2699, ½, 2000 Cap d’Agde FRA 21.Rad1 g6
Time: 01:10:30 – 01:25:41
22.Be2 Rc7 23.Qd3 b6 24.Rd2 Qe7 25.Rfd1 Rd8 26.Qc3
“Instead of a long-lasting play I decided to force a draw” – Kramnik 26..Rcd7 27.Bg4 Rxd4 28.Rxd4 Rxd4 29.Rxd4 Qc5 30.Rd5 Bxc3 31.Rxc5 bxc5 32.Kf1 1/2-1/2> |
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| May-14-05 | | offramp: All in all a pretty dull game; I think there was less kibitzing on this game than for any other live game. |
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| May-16-05 | | DP12: 5.dxe5 is a very interesting move which Igor Glek reccomended in a Yearbook survey. If I recall right, he suggests Be7(?) Nbd2 Nxd2 he recommends the "most interesting" Qxd2! to bring the Queen to f4. Of course it is probably harmless on the highest level all the same. |
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| May-16-05 | | DP12: Also moro I am sure Topalov is well aware about the move 3.d4 it used to be in vogue about 10 years ago when ANAND scored many nice victories with it.Check out Anand vs. Ivanchuk from the position after 3.d4. However, it got fairly played out and it is like the Sveshnikov in that the lines are pretty linear and easy to book up. |
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| May-16-05 | | DP12: The game by the way is the one from Linares 1993. They have played many after all! I also am not sure that the Petrov is such a problem at any level below Grandmaster. I can tell you that throughout my career, through the class ranks and up to master, I have never been afraid to meet the Petrov as white nor have I suceeded in making it into a drawing weapon with black. Sure it is equal but it is not too sterile and there are plenty of lines you can choose to try to throw the black pieces off balance. |
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