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Victor Knorre vs Mikhail Chigorin
St Petersburg (1874), St. Petersburg
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  0-1



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  tpstar: ctydingco-tpstar (GameKnot 7/30/05): 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. 0-0 d6 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4?! g5 8. Bg3 h5 9. Nxg5 h4 10. Nxf7 hxg3 11. Nxd8 Bg4 12. Qd2 (12. Nxc6!? Bxd1 13. Rxd1 gh+ 14. Kh1 Ng4) Nd4 13. Re1 Nf3+! 14. gxf3 Bxf3 0-1.

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Jul-30-05  Calli: Heh, Of course Chigorin got it from Steinitz Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862 But then who knows what coffeehouse game Steinitz picked it up from.
Dec-06-05  Autoreparaturwerkbau: Wow! what a demolition on kingside by Chigorin!
Dec-31-05  syracrophy: The pin <6.Bg5?> is a mistake, because it allows a fast attack over the white king. Correct was <6.Nc3 or 6.Be3>

<7.Bh4?> was a big lost of time. Correct was <7.Be3>

<13.Nc3??> was the decisive mistake. Correct was <13.h3>

Jan-08-06  Averageguy: <syracrophy> 13.h3 Ne2+ 14.Qxe2 (14.Kh1 Rxh3+ 15.gxh3 Bf3#) 14...Bxe2 winning.
Jan-20-06  LIFE Master AJ: Its unfair to say that Tchgorin knew about this game.

Back then communication was limited. (Newspapers, telegraphs, trains.) There is NO guarantee that Tchgorin ever even knew of the Steinitz game.

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  chancho: <There is NO guarantee that Tchgorin ever even knew of the Steinitz game.>

There is also NO guarantee that Tchigorin did know of the game. Besides, 12 years had elapsed since the Steinitz game. Surely the game was already in print by then.

Jan-20-06  LIFE Master AJ: <tpstar>
If I followed the line of thinking by some on this website ...

But its actually a valid opening debacle.

The way it works, is that the first guy who springs it gets the credit for an original idea. Everyone else that follows after that, is basically just springing a trap.

Jan-30-06  netlava: What happens if white plays Nxa8 instead of Nxd8?
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  kevin86: White has the choice of allowing gxh2# or taking the pawn and being mated by Rh1#
Apr-06-07  patzer77: There is a third choice, white moves the rook, black pawn gxh2, white king f1, black pawn queens and mates :)))))
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  Floyd5642: This is still in the opening book for the Italian Game. They never get into the middle game or anything like that.
Jul-17-09  Knight13: <<13.Nc3??> was the decisive mistake. Correct was <13.h3>> 13...Nf3+ 14. gxf3 Bxf3 White still threatens the mate.
Nov-21-10  meppi: the move 10 hxg3 makes me weep

i love it!

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  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

V Knorre vs Chigorin, 1874.
Your score: 25 (par = 14)


Jul-30-12  Robed.Bishop: LTJ - Why do you keep posting your scores?
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  perfidious: < Robed.Bishop: LTJ - Why do you keep posting your scores?>

We've another <AJ> in our midst, a being who requires constant validation of his self-worth and reacts violently to any suggestion that he's less than great in anything. You get out of line-straight to iggy-dom!

Jul-31-12  Robed.Bishop: <perfidious> Hmm, I don't think he's going to answer.
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  Shams: <Robed.Bishop> Well, he already admitted on his forum that he knows nobody cares but he "wants a public record" of it anyway. From his bio you can see that he just wants to troll and drive up his post count. At least he's honest in his trolling.
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  perfidious: <Robed.Bishop> On another page, he publicly proclaimed my status in his little corner of perdition after precisely two posts. Funny as hell-I'm still laughing!

<Shams> Not a difficult task when so many 'posts' consist of 'awesome game' and 'GG LTJ'. Doing that all day, anyone with a functioning cerebellum could beat the record <Focus> set yesterday.

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  OhioChessFan: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

V Knorre vs Chigorin, 1874.
Your score: 26 (par = 14)


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  perfidious: <OCF> You need to get the particulars down-his score is usually only slightly above par.


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  OhioChessFan: I never noticed that, <perfidious> though I <now> notice that my score <was> one point better!
Aug-01-12  Robed.Bishop: <Shams> Actually, I did see his forum post, the one made in response to your post. I posted there that I agreed with you. He didn't offer a substanative answer to my post there, but here I phrased my question as "why do you keep posting" as opposed to "why do you post."

I was hoping that I might get a better answer here publicly, now that other posts have addressed the issue privately.

Incidentally, I thought your posting on his forum rather than addressing it first in a game forum was a damn decent thing to do.

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  tpstar: neoo-tpstar (ChessAnyTime 12/10/14): 13. Qg5 Ne2+ 14. Kh1 Rxh2# 0-1.

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