Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov (2005) Krammed in a Corner

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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
"Krammed in a Corner" (game of the day Dec-06-2009)
Corus Group A (2005), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 2, Jan-16
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80) · 0-1

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Sep-17-06		silenthinker: topalov a solid player, counter attack kramnik a risky one, tactician.

Oct-04-06		babywizard: I would just like to point out some improvements on some analysis that <Hesam7> had made and claimed a (+0.4) advantage to white. <Hesam7> gave, with the help of Fruit, the line 13. Nc3 Qc7 14. Bf4 d5 15. Bxe5 Qxe5 16. Qa5 Be7 17. Kb1 O-O 18. exd5 Rfb8 19. a3 Nxd5 20. Nxd5 exd5 21. h4 Bd8 22. Qc5 Be7 (eval : +0.40) But 19...Nxd5 is wrong. The correct move is 19...Bd8! 20.Qc5 Rc8 21.f4 Qxf4 22.Nc6 exd5 23.Qd4 Qxd4 24.Nxd4 Ba5! and black will be a pawn up with better piece coordination.

Oct-13-06		Lt. Col. Majid: <notyetagm: <KingG: ... I don't understand why he feels the need to behave like a jerk just because he's had a bit of success recently.> This proves that Topalov is the true successor of Kasparov. :-)> W-R-O-N-G!!! King Kramnik is the true successor to Kasparov, a lineage which goes back to Capablanca, Lasker and Stenitz. Kramnik - the comeback kid came back from terrible illness to pick up from where he left off by continuing to be Topalov's daddy!

Oct-14-06		Whitehat1963: My favorite game between Kramnik and Topalov!

Oct-15-06		Karpova: A stupid blunder by Kramnik who was ill at that time making this game a favourite? Well, i prefer high-level chess. Topalov vs Kramnik, 2001

Oct-15-06		square dance: <Kramnik obviously not in the same league as Topalov! Kramnik's "title" has become a joke, a fraud, the laughing stock of all masters.> hmm, good thing he took topalov's "title" then. wouldnt you say?

Aug-10-07		KamikazeAttack: I am really cracking up reading these old posts LMAOO. We had a blast of a time post-Elista here.

Oct-07-07		notyetagm: <KamikazeAttack: I am really cracking up reading these old posts LMAOO. We had a blast of a time post-Elista here.> Who's laughing now? :-)

Jan-08-09		fromoort: I'm laughing quite a bit.

Jun-15-09		Moses2792796: "Overall record: Vladimir Kramnik beat Veselin Topalov 25 to 14"

Dec-06-09		vijaymathslpjz: What the F!!!

Dec-06-09		ivan999: wow, i thought you should never take on b4 in this variation.

Dec-06-09		WhiteRook48: 14 Qd2

Dec-06-09		Chessmensch: Observation: At the end, only pawns are off the board.

Dec-06-09		Nezhmetdinov: I'm laughing as I write these words, innit

Dec-07-09		kevin86: HORSECOLLARED! The face of white's cavalry.

Dec-16-09		m0nkee1: not for me to question a world champ... but here i go anyway... why play 10 Na4.. what is it going to do? Ne2 looks better... black is not going to castle queenside ... and why 11 0-0-0 when black has an open file and a pawn on its way down?

Oct-21-10		sevenseaman: Vladmir has managed to discomfit three minor pieces and his Q in less than 20 moves. He mus of gotten up wrong side of the bed or it is not him.

Jul-21-15		SpiritedReposte: A Najdorf Sicilian no?

Nov-28-15		PJs Studio: My next opponent plays the English Attack. I play many lines in the Sicilian but was thinking about playing this Najdorf version. I have a feeling my USCF 2000 opponent will play better than Kramnik did here... Holy crap Vlad!! Jet lag?

Jan-19-21		Messiah: Terrible!

Jan-19-21		HeMateMe: what if 21. b4?

Jan-20-21		Clement Fraud: <HeMateMe> <what if 21. b4?> A good question, and to a casual observer like myself it took some time to find an answer (I do not have a computer engine). One line I've been working on is 21.b4 Nxc3 22.Qxc3 Nxb4 23.Bc4 dxc4 24.Rxd7 Nxa2+ 25.Kd2 Qxd7+ 26.Nxd7 Nxc3 27.Nxb8 Nxa4 (when Black is up three Pawns plus a minor piece) ; or 27.Nxc3 Rd8! (when Black would be a Rook plus three Pawns up) ; or 27.Kxc3 Bb4+ 28.Kxc4 Kxd7 (when Black is up a Rook plus two pawns). White could, of course, play 22.Nxc3 🤔 ; but it will take me yet more considerable time to fathom out Black's winning variations to that. To think that Kramnik and Topalov saw all this over the board in seconds... now that is truly jaw dropping!

Jan-20-21		Clement Fraud: After 21.b4 Nxc3 22.Nxc3 Nxb4 23.Nxd7 Nd3+ 24.Rxd3 Bxa3+ 25.Kd1 Kxd7 (when Black is Queen for Rook plus two Pawns up).

Feb-06-24		plang: In past encounters with Kramnik Topalov had played 6..e5; here he varied with the Scheveningen move 6..e6. 9..b4!? is a relatively rare choice with Black delaying the development of the queen bishop that usually ends up at b7 in this line. 11..Ne5 had first been played in Balinov-Stohl Austria 2004 (game not included in this database) and has now gone on to become the main line; the most popular moves had previously been 11..Qa5 and 11..d5 though both had struggled to achieve equality. Topalov on 11..Ne5: "I had this new idea, which at first sight looks strange. You sacrifice a pawn, square b6 becomes weak and you move the knight while you're not yet developed. I looked at this position with Silvio (Silvio Danailov, Topalov's manager and coach) and we found many interesting ideas. " 12 Qxb4 was criticized pretty heavily in this thread but it was not the main cause of White's defeat and 12 b3..Bd7 13 Nb2..d5 would also have been very comfortable for Black. In the earlier game played in Austria White had played 13 Nc3 but this game had also resulted in a quick win for Black. 14 Nb6 would have been better though Black would have won two pieces for a rook after 14..Nc6; but after Kramnik's 14 Qa3? White's position was just lousy. 15 Be2 was White's last chance though after 15..Ne5 Black would have been much better. 16 Bg2..Ne5! would not have helped White.

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