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Antti Lehtinen vs Jari Sietio
Lahti op (1996), Lahti FIN, rd 5
Zukertort Opening: Symmetrical Variation (A04)  ·  1-0



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Dec-23-08  WhiteRook48: I'm surprised this hasn't been Game of the Day yet
Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: should we call this the "Horsing Around Opening?"
Feb-05-09  WhiteRook48: Lehtinen played another game where he messed around like this
Mar-09-09  WhiteRook48: and they call this the Queen's Pawn Game??
Mar-19-09  chessman95: I've never seen a 24 move transposition back to the starting position before...
May-12-09  DoubleDude: It would be cooler for white's knights to get on the starting squares of black's knights and vice versa, then retreat. You should try it sometime!
May-17-09  WhiteRook48: actually 22 moves
Sep-09-09  WhiteRook48: and it's still (D00)??
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  Phony Benoni: Logic question: After the 24-move introductroy dance, did the knights wind up on their original squares? (That is, did the g1 knight wind up on g1, and so on?)

You should be able to figure that out without looking at the game.

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Phony Benoni> They did not. I suppose the reason we should be able to figure that out is that it wouldn't be as much fun otherwise.
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  Phony Benoni: <SwitchingQuylthuig> I see now that my own logic was flawed. I was thinking that, since both players made an even number of moves, each knight must have also made an even number of moves and ended up on the same colored square where they started.

But, of course, both knights could have made an odd number of moves--as they did--and ended up on different colored squares. So my original question cannot be answered.

Nov-25-09  whatthefat: One of the upsides of this opening is no embarrassingly short losses. Anand could have scored a respectable 49 move loss to Aronian in the Tal memorial had they employed this method.
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  Domdaniel: Vive l'Affense Endon! As played in Samuel Beckett's novel 'Murphy'.

<Phony Benoni> Yes - I had the same idea about a 'proof' and then saw the flaw. A 5-move sequence will take the b-knight to g1, assuming g1 is vacant and no pawns have moved. One route is Nb1-c3-e4-g5-h3-g1. The other knight then has 19 moves to reach b1.

Annoyingly, the knight icons in the board diagram both face the same way. Always saving code at the expense of beauty, these programmers.

Incidentally, why do people say things like 'they must be drunk'? As though there were no other possible reason for eccentricity.

Apart from the question of whether a drunk player could make 24 knight moves correctly.

25 moves is a widely used cutoff for a miniature. So even if this had gone 25.f3 e6 26.g4 Qh4# it wouldn't count.

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  Phony Benoni: One intersting point is that the prelude cannot be accomplished in an odd number of moves. In that case, one knight must have made an odd number of moves, the other an even number. That would mean they would be on the same colored squares, hence could not be on b1 and g1.
Feb-26-10  whiteshark: The Order of Knights
Mar-30-10  TheChessVids: An intriguing opening.
Nov-04-12  The Last Straw: Lol the first serious move is move 25!
Jun-01-13  meir: Probably they did that to increase time. These moves must be marked by ?? sign as very weak, especially when there is a chance to take a queen.
Jul-31-13  GumboGambit: 7.Ne3??
Nov-24-13  tammynick: Grand Prix CHESS. Warming pieces up for better board contact. Foreplay?
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  perfidious: White wanted a Veresov all along-both players just figured they would be way ahead of the game if they diddled around with their horsies to avoid that dreaded spectre of time trouble.
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  Domdaniel: Again, I'm bemused that some people find this game incomprehensible, or drunk, or a joke, or whatever.
Dec-12-16  TheBish: I was assuming the knight dance was just a prelude to a prearranged draw, to get closer to the 15- or 30-move minimum. Very strange to start that way and then go on for one side to win... considering how many chances the other side had to win during the knight dance!
Mar-02-18  Delboy: I hope I face Lehtinen as black one day. Then I will play 8. ... Nxd1 and watch the smoke come out of his ears
Mar-02-18  morfishine: This game threw me


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