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Feb-21-15
 | | Penguincw: One thing I've noticed about puzzles this week: they're almost always white to move, and also easier than normal (or perhaps I'm getting better). Anyway, I saw 29.Bxg6 hxg6 30.Qxd7 Rxd7 31.Re8+ Kh7, but couldn't find the followup. Reminds me of Kasparov vs Karpov, 1985. |
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| Feb-21-15 | | njdanie: According to a couple old Fred Reinfeld books and possibly even a Reuben Fine book, the game actually proceeded with:
31 Rc8+??? Rd8
white resigns.
Possibly Alekhine published a "revisionist" version of the game in his book... |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Oliveira: <njdanie> Alekhine missing that? Oh no, sir. |
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Feb-21-15
 | | chrisowen: Mind g5 jangle a moot point g6 as spot f7 that.
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| Feb-21-15 | | sushijunkie: I still don't understand how I'll botch a Thursday, but I'll get a (some<this>) Saturday in 20-30 secs. Pattern recognition? |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Bycotron: Move 29, white to play.
I notice a lot of Rooks and Queens flying around and a black King without any breathing room. How about we try to check mate him on his back rank and see where that gets us?The immediate try with 29.Qxd7 doesn't work:
29.Qxd7 Rxd7
30.Re8+ Nf8
31.Rc8 g6
32.Rxf8+ Kg7 and white has too little for the Queen and no convincing continuation. Boy, that Knight turned out to be annoying. How about we peck him off and try again? 29.Bxg6 is certainly attractive after a few moments of calculation! 29.Bxg6 Qxg6
30.Qxd7! 1-0
29.Bxg6 hxg6
30.Qxd7! Rxd7
31.Re8+ Kh7
32.Rc8 1-0 when black resigns due to the threat of Rh8# which black can only defend by going down a Rook! The hardest line to calculate is...
29.Bxg6 fxg6
30.Qe6+ Kf8 (if Kh8, Qxd7!)
31.Rc4! 1-0 due to the threat of Rf4+ which will win Black's Queen. I was rather proud when I spotted Rc4 in my mind's eye. :) Maybe I'm not as bad at this game as I think haha. |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Bycotron: Well, 30...Rf7 as given by lost in space certainly would give me pause to think! I did not consider it before playing 29.Bxg6 As dfcx points out, white is not winning in the final position recommended by lost in space. In fact, white is dead lost! 38.Ke4 g5 (almost any pawn move wins for black)
39.h3 h6
40.Kd4 a6
41.g4 b5!
42.a5 b4!
43.Kc4 b3!
44.Kxb3 Kxd5 and the black King has white outflanked! 0-1 Returning to lost in space's line, 35.Qc7 looks like the most natural try for a win, ushering in the d-pawn for promotion. The position is probably winning for white, but the presence of Queens on the board makes the thing complicated. For example:
35.Qc7 Qe8!
36.d6 Qe1+
37.Kg2 Qe4+
38.f3 Qe2+
39.Kh3 Qe6+
40.g4 Qf6! and white is having a hard time escaping the annoyance factor of the black Queen! I admit I cannot see a win for white in the 30...Rf7! line. |
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Feb-21-15
 | | agb2002: White has a bishop for a knight.
White can weaken Black's back rank with 29.Bxg6:
A) 29... Qxg6 30.Qxd7 wins a rook (30... Rxd7 31.Re8#). B) 29... hxg6 30.Qxd7 Rxd7 31.Re8+ Kh7 32.Rcc8 and Black must lose the queen to avoid mate, ending up a whole rook down. C) 29... fxg6 30.Qe6+
C.1) 30... Kh8 31.Qe8+ Rxe8 32.Rxe8#.
C.2) 30... Kf8 31.Rc4
C.2.a) 31... Rxd5 32.Rf4+ Rf5 33.Re5 and Black seems to be defenseless against Re(f)xf5+ (33... Rxf4 34.Rxg5). C.2.b) 31... Re7 32.Rf4+ Ke8 (32... Qxf4 33.Qxe7+ wins) 33.Qc6+ Rdd7 34.Rfe4 C.2.b.i) 34... Rxe4 35.Rxe4+ Kd8 36.d6 and the threat 37.Qa8# wins. C.2.b.ii) 34... Qxd5 35.Rxe7+ Rxe7 36.Rxe7+ Kxe7 37.Qxd5, etc. C.2.b.iii) 34... Kf8 35.Qc8+ Kf7 36.Rf4+ Qxf4 37.Rxe7+ Kxe7 38.gxf4 wins. C.2.b.iv) 34... Kd8 35.d6 Rxe4 36.Qa8#.
C.3) 30... Rf7 31.Rc7
C.3.a) 31... Qxd5 32.Qxd5 Rxd5 33.Re8+ Rf8 34.Ree7
C.3.a.i) 34... Re8 33.Rxg7+ Kh8 (33... Kf8 34.Rcf7#) 34.Rxh7+ Kg8 35.Rcg7+ Kf8 36.Rxa7 Kg8 37.Rag7+ Kf8 38.Rxg6 + - [3P]. C.3.a.ii) 34... Rd8 33.Rxg7+ Kf8 34.Rxh7 Kg8 35.Rcg7+ as in C.3.a.i. C.3.b) 31... Qf6 32.Rc2 (32.Rxf7 Qxf7 33.d6 Qxe6 34.Rxe6 Rd7 and White looks worse), unclear. |
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Feb-21-15
| | agb2002: I saw 31.Rc8 after 30... Rf7 but forgot it! How annoying... |
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| Feb-21-15 | | AvidChessMan: I kept eying up the black knight. Once eliminated, it could not block check by either white rook. Then I noticed a queen sac would free up the back rank and in the end a white rook would stand alone. 28. Qc6 helped me see this by showing white's intent to sacrifice the queen. A very good move. |
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| Feb-21-15 | | KabutoKoji: more like a wednesday.... |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Everett: <ozu> I think you are spot on with one of Kasparov's outstanding skills that made him a great player. |
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| Feb-21-15 | | M.Hassan: Very Difficult"
White to play 29.?
White has a Bishop for a Knight
If White can get to the eighth rank to check the King, Knight can defend it by jumping to f8, therefore: 29.Bxg6
<if...Qxg6 30.Qxd7 Rxd7 31.Re8#>
So, Black Queen has to stay in dark square to watch d8 at least for time being and more importantly, a pawn in front of the King captures the Bishop to open an escape route for the King 29............hxg6
30.Qxd7 Rxd7
31.Re8+ Kh7(forced)
32.Rc8
Next, Rook to h8 and mate and the only way to stop mate will be: 32............Qc1+
33.Rxc1
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Feb-21-15
 | | patzer2: As several posters have noted, the win with 29. Bxg6!! gets complicated after 29... fxg6 30. Qe6+! Rf7 31. Rc8! Rxc8 32. Qxc8+ Rf8 (diagram below):
click for larger viewPlaying it out with Fritz 12, White appears to win with 33. Re8!  when play might continue 33...Qf6 34. Rxf8+ Qxf8 35. Qe6+ Qf7 36. Qc6 Qf3 37. Qe8+ Qf8 38. Qd7 Qf5 39. Qe7 Qf3 40. Qd8+ Qf8 41. Qc7 Qf3 42. Qb8+ Qf8 43. Qxa7 Qe8 44. Qa6 Kf7 45. Qc4 Qd7 46. Qf4+ Ke7 47. Qe5+ Kf7 48. d6 g5 49. h3 h6 50. Qd5+ Kf6 51. Kh2 g6 52. Kg2 Qd8 53. Qc6 Ke6 54. d7+ Ke7 55. Qxg6 Qxd7 56. Qg7+ Ke8 57. Qxd7+ Kxd7 58. Kf3 . |
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| Feb-21-15 | | TheBish: Alekhine vs Colle, 1925 White to play (29.?) "Very Difficult"
White has an advantage, with control of the open c- and e-files, and Black's rooks stopped up on the d-file, thanks largely to the Be4 supporting the "stopper", the d5 pawn. But it's time for White to convert one advantage into another, by weakening Black's bank rank. First to clear the e-file: 29. Bxe4! hxg6
I know from experience how this game ends, and this was the pawn capture that occurs. Much better is 29...fxg6 30. Qe6+ Rf7 (not 30...Kh8?? 31. Qe8+! and mate next, or 30...Kf8? 31. Rc4 Rxd5 (31...Rf7 32. Rc8! Kg8 33. Rec1 followed by 34. Rxd8 and 35. Rc8) 32. Rf4+ Rf5 33. Re5! (a hard move to find), and one way or another, Black must give up the queen to stop mate) 31. Rc8! Rxc8 32. Qxc8+ Rf8 33. Re8 Qf6 34. Rxf8+ Qxf8 35. Qc7 and White has a big advantage in the Q+P endgame. 30. Qxd7+!! Rxd7
The bank rank has been compromised; now for the final invasion. 31. Re8+!
One final mistake to avoid: 31. Rc8+?? Rd8 32. Re8+ Rxe8 33. Rxe8+ Kh7 and White can resign. 31...Kh7 32. Rc8 and now it is Black who can resign, as the only way to stop mate is 32...Rd8 33. Rcxd8 (toward the king!) Qxd8 34. Rxd8, or 32...Qxg3+ 33. hxg3 Kh6, which is of course equivalent to resigning. |
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| Feb-17-16 | | Allanur: great game, deserves to be the game of the day for the great ability of Alekhine to see an opportunity exhited in this game. |
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| Aug-11-18 | | alshatranji: "njdanie: According to a couple old Fred Reinfeld books and possibly even a Reuben Fine book, the game actually proceeded with: 31 Rc8+??? Rd8 white resigns. Possibly Alekhine published a "revisionist" version of the game in his book..." This can't be true. Alekhine won the Paris 1925 tournament, where this game was played, with no losses. He couldn't have revised this too. I guess this is what happens when you're caught cooking up stuff, even once. Everybody starts assuming the worst about you |
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| Aug-11-18 | | Strelets: Don't know about you, but the image of mid-'20s Alekhine sacrificing his queen and then immediately blundering on the next move of the combination when there was a forced win in sight is a little ridiculous to me. |
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| Mar-08-19 | | belladonne: 27.Te1 in the game...someone could explain me the purpose of this move?? |
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| Mar-08-19 | | whiteshark: <belladonne> To quote Alekhine on <27.Re1>: "A surprising concept! It hardly sounds credible that the harmless rook move introduces a mating combination." German Original:
"Eine überraschende Konzeption! Es klingt kaum glaubhaft, daß mit dem harmlosen Turmzug eine Mattkombination eingeleitet wird." |
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| Mar-08-19 | | belladonne: <whiteshark> so it will be an introduction of the final combination??. But between the 27eme and the 29eme black move, no one was forced. Is it possible that there is another hidden idea?? |
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| Mar-08-19 | | whiteshark: <belladonne> Here's the analysis from Robert Huebner 's CD on Alekhine: <27.Re1!!> [with mating ideas!] <27...Rbd8 28.Qc6! Qg5?> [idea Se7-d5 Colle] [¹28...Qd4= Colle; ¹28...Rd6= Colle; ¹28...Ne7= Colle 29.Qxf6 gxf6 30.d6± Alekhine 30...Ng6 (30...Rxd6 31.Bxh7+ Kxh7 32.Rxe7 R8d7 33.Rc7±) 31.Rc7 Rxd6 32.Bxg6 hxg6 33.Ree7 Rf8 34.Rxa7 Müller;
<29.Bxg6! hxg6?> [29...fxg6™ 30.Qe6+ Rf7! (30...Kf8 31.Rc4!+– Alekhine 31...Re7 a) 31...Rf7 32.Rce4! (RR32.Rc8!! De8 32...Kg8 33.Rec1 Qxc1+ 34.Rxc1+–) 32...Kg8 (RR32...Rf5 33.Qc6 Kg8 34.f4+–; 32...Rf3 33.R1e3 Rf5 34.Qc6+–) 33.Rf4 Rdf8 34.d6+– Kotov (RR34.Qxf7+ Rxf7 35.Re8+ Rf8 36.Rfxf8#) ; b) RR31...Rxd5 32.Rf4+ Rf5 33.Re5+–; 32.Rf4+ Ke8 33.Qg8+ (RR33.Qf7+! Kd7 34.h4+–) 33...Kd7 34.Rxe7+ Qxe7 35.Qxh7± Kotov) 31.Rc8 Rxc8 32.Qxc8+ Rf8 33.Re8 (33.Qe6+ Kh8 34.d6 Qd2 35.Re2 Qc1+ 36.Kg2 Qc6+ 37.Kh3²) 33...Qf6 34.Rxf8+ Qxf8 35.Qc6± Alekhine; 29...Qxg6?? 30.Qxd7+–] |
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| Mar-09-19 | | belladonne: <whiteshark> thanks for your additional details. |
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Jul-17-19
 | | Phony Benoni: 30.Qxd7 Rxd7 31.Re8+ Kh7 32.Rcc8 Rd8 33.Rexd8! Not 33.Rcxd8? Qc1+ and Black's king escapes. See you later! |
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Jul-17-19
| | agb2002: [game 1012382 deleted] looks like another type of puzzle. |
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