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Weaver Adams vs Albert Simonson
USA-ch (1940), New York, NY USA, rd 3, Apr-29
Bishop's Opening: Berlin Defense (C24)  ·  0-1

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Oct-13-17
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  Gilmoy: So it's a <two-Rook Damiano>, with the Bf6 serving a dual role as the support for Qg7# <and> denying e7. Then we just need Q-sees-g, which we already have. (Note that a hypothetical Pf6 would have done just as well, if we had one who could get there.)

Structurally, Bf6 + open g-file is thematic in many mates, e.g. the <Morphy mate> (which also discards 1 rook just to open the long diagonal).

Ergo, when you have a double on g7, think Bf6 (for a triangle mate, among other patterns), and then you "know" there are mate patterns out there that cost both Rooks.

Nifty: The other Rg1-sees-g7 pattern that "beats" Kh6 is ... Rxg7+ Kxg7, Bh6+!! to lure the K forward into a death trap. That one's even rarer than Damiano. But because it, too, exists in the idea space, we must retrain to know that two-piece sacs exist, and are thus worth a look during idea-generation.

Oct-13-17  gofer: I missed the mate, I saw the first rook sac, but missed the second. But I didn't walk into the trap of either playing Bxh7+ or Rxg7+ without seeing the mate. Instead, thinking this might be a <spoiler>, I chose Bxg7 playing for the draw. So, I have a question for any silicon based monsters;

<Can white ride out the storm to a draw after 21 Bxg7?>

Oct-13-17  Cheapo by the Dozen: Oh wow. I had 22 Qg2, and the reason that fails is really interesting:

. . . . . . .

22 ... Qf5+ leads to a Philidor's/smothered mate.

Oct-13-17  stacase: Off Topic, the new control buttons for OLGA:
[‹‹][ ‹ ][ › ][››][+]
aren't logical
[››] should be last
Should look like
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Oct-13-17  Kyudaime: → Let see, a double rook sac:

21. Rxg7+ Kf8 22. Rg8+ Kxg8 23. Rg1+ Kf8 24. Bg7+ Kg8 25. Bf6+ Kf8 26. Rg8+ Kxg8 27. Qg2+ Qg5 28. Qxg5 Kf8 29. Qg7#

Oct-13-17  ChatGrognon: First puzzle I have to play the losing side :)
Oct-13-17  vermapulak: <Kyudaime: → Let see, a double rook sac: 21. Rxg7+ Kf8 22. Rg8+ Kxg8 23. Rg1+ Kf8 24. Bg7+ Kg8 25. Bf6+ Kf8 26. Rg8+ Kxg8 27. Qg2+ Qg5 28. Qxg5 Kf8 29. Qg7#> I have the same solution :)
Oct-13-17  claudi: When I think that in 1981 we had to wait hours for Chess Chalenger for a good move while today we only wait a few seconds.
Oct-13-17  beenthere240: <cheapo>
Not sure that the smothered mate works. Look at White's queen. However. a more prosaic 23. Rxa2+ Kc1 24. Bxf4+ Rd2. 25 Qa1# appears to do the trick.
Oct-13-17  Cheapo by the Dozen: <beenthere240>,

Ack. You're right that I was wrong.

On the other hand, I don't understand your line, since Black has a pawn blocking the a-file.

Oct-13-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: A tough one.
Oct-13-17
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  kevin86: A good game to use the OLGA!
Oct-13-17  JohnDMaster: The queen controls e7, easy combination
Oct-13-17  Walter Glattke: No other win way than CG showed.
Oct-13-17
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  moronovich: <chrisowen: Finish rinds u g7s gunghood vid rink us h7s harangue blows hot cold h7s hoodlugs to go 22.Rxg7+ huh gong gunghood 10 11 finds vow h6s huffles von guv room doubts he co 22.Qc2+ hub cub 9 10 vows to u 21.Rxg7+ hood us gunghost mud mate 9 avow ever i von guv cove rinds o g7s gunghood>

Right.In the long run white couldn´t withstand all these hoodlugs and gunhoods.

Oct-13-17
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  thegoodanarchist: < moronovich:

Right.In the long run white couldn´t withstand all these hoodlugs and gunhoods.>

What the huh gong are you talking about?

Oct-13-17
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  chrisowen: <moronovich> x over to the com job.
Oct-13-17
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  moronovich: Thanks <chrisowen> !

:)

Oct-13-17
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  moronovich: <thegoodanarchist: < moronovich: Right.In the long run white couldn´t withstand all these hoodlugs and gunhoods.> What the huh gong are you talking about?>

Read <chrisowens> fine analysis.

Oct-13-17  beenthere240: <cheapo>
22. Qg2 Qxa2+
23. K c1 (forced)
Bxf2+
24. since the king can't move, white has 3 ways to block the bishop: Rd2, Qd2 and Be3. The first 2 are met by 24...Qa1 mate, the third is met by Bxe3+, after which either Rd2 or Qd2 are forced and the Queen mates as before. White can move Queen to a1 because the she took the a2 pawn on move 22.
Oct-13-17  beenthere240: <cheapo>
Went back and reread my post. I had written 22. Rxa2, which is impossible.
Oct-13-17
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  Bubo bubo: The notorious opposite-castling brawl is in full spate; Black has serious threats, but it's White's move:

White starts with 21.Rxg7+ Kf8 (or 21...Kh8 22.Rxh7++ Kg8 23.Rg8#), and now 22.Rg8+ Kxg8 23.Qg2+ Kf8 24.Qg7+ would be mate if e7 was still covered.

Therefore we need a <vorplan> and continue with 23.Rg1+ instead: after 23...Kf8 24.Bg7+ Kg8 25.Bf6+ the bishop covers e7, and now the original plan works: 25...Kf8 26.Rg8+ Kxg8 27.Qg2+ Kf8 28.Qg7#

Not very difficult, but cool: White sacs two rooks on g8 for the gain of a single tempo each.

Oct-13-17  blackdranzer: So, what's up with <chrisowen> ? Is that some kind of secret language that only kibitzers here understand ?
Oct-14-17  mel gibson: <blackdranzer: So, what's up with <chrisowen> ? Is that some kind of secret language that only kibitzers here understand ?>

I have him blocked so I never see his nonsense.

Oct-14-17  Cheapo by the Dozen: <beenthere240>,

Thanks!

That makes sense. And I even saw past your new f2/f4 typo. :)

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