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Joachim Schenkein vs Rudolf Spielmann
Jubilaeumsturnier Wiener Schachklub (1913), Vienna AUH, Mar-22
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation General (A28)  ·  0-1



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Dec-30-13  Fanacas: Or 7 Knight takes Knight seems also a possibilty and afterwards pinning the black knight. But 7 g3 was the losing move.
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  perfidious: The move 6.Qd3 looks odd, and by the thirties 6.Bg5 became a topical line.
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  Phony Benoni: Hmmm. Black's already a pawn ahead, and <13...Rxe3+ 14.fxe3 Qxe3+> and <15...Qxg1> is a clear piece gain.

Can it be that easy? Black's queen ddoesn't get trapped. After the interposition 15.Qe2 White doesn't have a back rank mate because the knight covers e8.

All right. Show me that I need to make a New Year's Resolution to be more careful.


OK, not more careful. Just nastier.

Jan-01-14  raviarun: Easy medium and great start to the new year! <Phony Benoni>, Why is this nastier (other than the extra pawn)? After 15...Qxg1, white's bishop and pawn are pinned. And 16.Rd1 not possible cos of 16....Bg4 and Rd8 is also on the way.
Jan-01-14  raviarun: <al wazir>, In the Qxg1 line, 16.0-0-0 is also answered by Bg4
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  al wazir: The game line is better than 15...Qxg1 because it picks up a ♙ and stops white from castling, and after 18...Bf5+ white is practically mated.
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  FSR: Super-easy problem. must have decided to make it simple for members who were plastered or hung over.

The game wasn't exactly Spielmann's finest hour. Despite being a very strong player, he did lose some very short games,, most famously Botvinnik vs Spielmann, 1935 (1-0, 12!).

Jan-01-14  M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy"
Black to play 13...?
Black is a pawn up.

declining the Rook and defending the check will cause more material loss for White

<14.Be2 Bxc3+ 15.bxc3 Rxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Qxc3+ 17.Qd2 Qxa1+ 18.Qd1 and material loss is 2 pawns+Bishop+Knight>

15.Qe2 Bxc3+
16.bxc3 Qxc3+
17.Qd2 Qxa1+
18.Qd1 Qe5+
In this line also, Black is way ahead in materials

Jan-01-14  Patriot: 13...Rxe3+ 14.fxe3 Qxe3+ followed by 15...Qxg1.
Jan-01-14  dufferps: I don't understand why white didn't play 15. Be2.
Jan-01-14  diagonalley: i couldn't see anything wrong with 15 ... QxR a piece and two pawns up, with two pieces pinned
Jan-01-14  Travis Bickle: A miserable English played by White.
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  agb2002: Black is one pawn ahead.

The rook on g1 is defenseless. Therefore, 13... Rxe3+

A) 14.fxe3 Qxe3+ 15.Qe2 (15.Be2 Qxg1+ - + [B+2P]) 15... Bxc3+ 16.bxc3 (16.Kd1 Bg4 wins) 16... Qxc3+ 17.Qd2 Qxa1+ - + [B+3P].

B) 14.Be2 Rxe2+ 15.Qxe2 Bxc3+

B.1) 16.Kd1 Qxe2+ 17.Kxe2 Bxb2 - + [2B+N+3P vs R].

B.2) 16.Kf1 Bh3+ 17.Rg2 Qxg2#.

B.3) 16.bxc3 Qxc3+ 17.Qd2 (17.Kf1 Bh3+ 18.Rg2 Qxa1+, etc.; 17.Kd1 Bg4 followed by Rd8+ with a mate attack) 17... Qxa1+ 18.Ke2 (18.Qd1 Qxd1+ - + [B+N+3P]) 18... Bg4+ (18... Qxg1 19.Qd8 Ne8 20.Qxe8#) 19.f3 Qxg1, etc.

C) 14.Kd2 Qxf2+ is a massacre.

Jan-01-14  morfishine: After <13...Rxe3+> 14.fxe3 Qxe3+ White is winning heavy material due to the forked rook on <g1>

(a) 15.Be2 Qxg1+

(b) 15.Qe2 Qxg1

Declining the "exchange-sac" offers no relief: 14.Kd2 Qxf2+ 15.Kc1 Rxc3 16.bxc3 Ba3+ 17.Kb1 Bf5

(or 14...Rxc3 15.bxc3 Qxf2+ 16.Kc1 Ba3+ 17.Kb1 Bf5)

PM: Good point <FSR> about <CG> taking it easy on hung-over members; or maybe <CG> was hung-over and confused 1st of the year with 1st of the week

Or maybe I was hung-over: I thought Black was Jonathan Speelman; Or maybe White was drunk...Enough "maybes"

...and what about poor Schenkein: <CG> has 11 of his games in the database, which is good; but 10 are losses, which is not so good


Jan-01-14  gofer: White's king has been caught in the centre of the board.

Game Over player one.

<13 ... Rxe3+>

14 fxe3? Qxe3+
15 Qe2 Bxc3+ (Be2? Qxg1+ 16 Bf1 Qe3+ or Kd2 Qxa1 ) 16 bxc3+ Qxc3+
17 Kf2 Bg4! (Qd2 Qxa1+ seems worse for white)
18 Qe3 Qxa1

Can white avoid this and lose less material???

<14 Kd2? Qxf2+>
<15 Kc1 Re1+>
<16 Nd1 Rxd1+>

17 Kxd1 Bg4+
18 Kc1 Qe3+
19 Kb1 Qxg1

17 Qxd1 Qc5+
18 Kb1 Bf5+
19 Bd3 Bxd3+
20 Qxd3 Qxg1+
21 Kc2 Qxa1

Jan-01-14  WoodPushkin: Greetings and a Happy One


From there its like choose Ur adventure storybooks except its choose Ur slaughter.

No real brain work required.

9.♙xd5?? would be a crack head move except it hadn't been invented yet. Alcohol..? Opium..? Anyway it takes a probably lost game and makes darn sure its lost.

JAH Love

Jan-01-14  lost in space: Is it Monday or 01.01.?

13...Rxe3 and it is done and dusted.

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  Penguincw: Hmm. The queen blocking. Should've calculated that.
Jan-01-14  gars: Wonderful analysis, <chrisowen> ! Thanks a lot and Happy New Year!
Jan-01-14  Amadori: Rook out below!
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  gawain: Early in the week I get caught up in thinking that I have to find a checkmate. So although I saw the winning combination I thought I must've missed something better.
Jan-01-14  whiteshark: <13...Rxe3+ 14.fxe3 Qxe3+>, and that's it!
Jan-01-14  mel gibson: White's opening is shocking - he's already in trouble by move 9.
Jan-01-14  zb2cr: This one was easier than yesterday.
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  FSR: Hmm, maybe I was more alcohol-impaired than I thought. I somehow got it into my head that Spielmann was the <loser> of this game. (Hence my assertion that the game wasn't one of Spielmann's finer moments.) D'oh!
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