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Milan Vidmar vs Jan Kvicala
Prague (1908), Prague AUH, rd 14, Jun-05
Caro-Kann Defense: Exchange. Rubinstein Variation (B13)  ·  1-0

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Feb-17-05  arielbekarov: Why is this opening called Caro-Kann Exchange ?
Sorry, for my ignorance,
but I cannot see any Caro-Kann in this opening.
Ariel
Feb-17-05  Shams: well, obviously it`s a transposition. pawns on d4/d5, white missing e-pawn and black missing c-pawn. my guess is their software checks for known opening positions and, if there is a match, that`s the name the game gets. maybe not.
Feb-17-05  arielbekarov: <Shams> Thank you for your comments!

Yes, I understand your point and I think it makes sense, but there was never any "Caro-Kann" in it as far as I can see.

The first two official moves in Caro-Kann are 1.e4 c6 and let's say they would have played 1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6, it is Caro-Kann, but I must take a look in the excellent "Opening Explorer", if this move order is realistic.

1.c4 Nf6 can become English, King's Indian, Nimzo-Indian, Old Indian ....

This is not a big problem, but I am just curious, because in most cases I do understand, but not here.

The examples I wrote were written without checking, but I think they are correct.

Only, if 1.d4 d5 2.e4 ..., probably dxe4 and I don't know the name of this opening yet. I will check !

I have just started with 'The Endgame Manual' by Dvoretsky and it confirms what Capablanca always stated.

<Study the Endgame>

After two to three times of the beginning of studying this book I discovered something about an opening.
It was very striking that I did it
thanks to "corresponding squares" !
Ariel

Feb-17-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: <arielbekarov> Note that Exchange CK goes: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5... If also 4.Bf4, one gets the position of the game.
Feb-17-05  arielbekarov: <Gypsy> Thank you !

I think, I start to see it. One needs time ...., especially I !

Good that I could delete "a response" to my own previous message, because I made a terrible mistake regarding 1.d4 d5 2.e4 and the not very promising continuation with ... dxe4, and so on. But, here I may be completely wrong.

The mistake I did was that I mixed white's and black's moves. So now you know it ! This is another dimension I like about chess. One has to be precise !

But the first part of my message may be presented.

Theoretically, I have just seen that
1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6 is possible, but I haven't found any example so far. The search goes on ....

This is exciting !
Ariel

Feb-17-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: < Theoretically, I have just seen that 1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6 is possible, but I haven't found any example so far. ...> You will not find many of those. The point is that, except for an odd psychological reason, the 1.d4 d5 2.e4?! exd4 3.Nc3 Bf5 is certainly superior, from Black's point of view, to the CK main lines 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxd4 Bf5 ... about a pawn-worth of superior.

Be careful though, there certainly are venomous tricks to avoid in this (1.d4 d5 2.e4?! ...) opening.

Feb-17-05  arielbekarov: <Shams> and <Gypsy> Thank you bouth for your comments and they are indeed very helpful for me.

One of those days I want to present the opening and its consequences that I was mentioning in an earlier posting. And I realized the lack of calculating thanks to Dvoretsky's "Endgame Manual". This book is really worth studying !
Until next time !
Ariel

Feb-28-05  aw1988: <arielbekarov> Good lord, you have started that thing? Be prepared to be exhausted.
Mar-02-05  arielbekarov: <aw1988> Thank you for your concern ! I am afraid you are right, but what is your experience ?

Until now, I do it very slowly, but Dvoretsky is an excellent teacher and he approaches it in a very scientific way. These "Tragicomics" are very helpful.
But, if you haven't seen any posting from me for more than three months, I cannot blame you, because you were kind enough to warn me. Ariel

Mar-02-05  aw1988: Heh, yes, Dvoretsky is an excellent trainer, although some would call some of his work "overkill". My experience is that I had already studied the entire CD in June.
Apr-04-05  Christian Sword: This game is a Queen`s pawn game D00 Steinitz variation.Kvicala should perhaps played 5 ... Qb6 and grabbed the initiative
Apr-16-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: This game is definitely a Caro-Kann Exchange just like it says. The normal move order would be 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3 Nf6 6. Bf4, as in Ashley vs Bareev, 1998.

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