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Karl-Heinz Podzielny vs Milan Matulovic
Dortmund (1977), rd 3
Zukertort Opening: Kingside Fianchetto (A04)  ·  0-1



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Sep-18-12  sushijunkie: Do-si-do, Dos y dos.
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  chrisowen: <sevenseaman>> Estimate my friend it to in cottage for kingh1 be3 in

ease after kettle call it rook in g3 for fxg3 in Qxg3+ me gleam in

black it aye in counting for bishopxd4, rever in hxg3 to hxg3

unlikely as brother in toy again do exchange in dry it also in

defence eminate a leaf in e3 gantry for platform in going h5 too

fate in h4 pawn comes to floor in gamble rd1 or e4 term in at eg

lesson ar and b3 promote I g3 no trepid explore rookxg3 tada me in

radical zone g4 queen entry in light h3 sky, lines cargo the bishop

as manic in black king slipshod 40.Kh1 Be3 41.Bg2 Qh4+ dr a win bh3


Sep-18-12  Schach and Awe: Odd how no one, including Once (who is a stickler regarding Rule 3), has suggested LTJs posting privileges be reviewed by for revocation of said privileges. Personally, I've decided not to read his posts, as there are plenty of other better ones that give one an excellent idea into how a chess player thinks.

As far as this game/puzzle goes, the analysis of the mating net walked into by White has already been adequately covered, but it leads me to wonder how White got himself into such a bind.

After castling, White moves his KR 6 times between moves 20 and 27 in attempts to cover weaknesses in his position. The Bishop pair seem to be relatively ineffective behind the closed center.

White's major and minor pieces align themselves on the Queenside, leaving the K to fend for himself. That is until the B returns to f1 ... too little, too late. Black's KR pawn begins to open the already weakened pawn fortress in front of the K, and it's mate within a handful of moves.

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  kevin86: Black will mate based on white's next move.

If the bishop moves...Qh3#

If however,Bg2 Qh4+ and mate next...

Sep-18-12  Tiggler: <sevenseaman: I must thank the following posters who have been very kind and thoughtfully supportive of my assertion that I was fair and above board in posting my solutions to the daily puzzle.>

I am happy that you were able to put me on your list. I have to quarrel with you a little about your reaction, however. is just another social network: you don't have to <like> everyone. Nor does anyone else have to <like> you. So long as some do, and in your case many do, why bother about it?

Sep-18-12  Alex56171: Easy.

38. ... Rxg3+ and if:

a) 39. fxg3, Qxg3+

...a1) 40. Bg2 Be3+ 41. Kh1 (Kf1 42. Qf2#) Qh4+ 42. Bh3 Qxh3#

...a2) 40. Kh1 Be3 41. Bg2 (Qa2 Qg1#) Qh4+ 42. Bh3 Qxh3#

b) 39. Bg2 Rxg2+

...b1) 40. Kf1 Rg1#

...b2) 40. Kh1 Qh3#

c) 39. Kh~ Qh4+ 40. Bh3 Qxh3#

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  scormus: I wasn't going to post but I have to remark <sevenseaman, it's good to see you here again :)>

Now why wasnt I going to post .... 38 ... Rxg3+. Missing that very winning move in a game for our club team all those years ago, it still haunts me. I can find that move in my sleep now but that game remains for ever lost. Sigh.

Sep-18-12  Alex56171: Come on <sevenseaman>! You have many people who appreciate your comments here, including me. Kick the bucket and let it roll.
Sep-18-12  Tiggler: <Schach and Awe: Odd how no one, including Once (who is a stickler regarding Rule 3), has suggested LTJs posting privileges be reviewed by for revocation of said privileges.>

This is not something to be discussed here. If one wants to complain, then one can do so privately. It is not appropriate to make allegations here.

Sep-18-12  rapidcitychess: <sevenseaman>

I completely understand if you are offended to the point of giving up. As much as I want to encourage you to keep it up, it is your choice.

I honestly enjoy reading the analysis with some personality behind it.

Sep-18-12  Prosperus: This is not a Zukertort Opening, this is a transposed English Simmetrical.
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  chrisowen: Bin column together g4 and I flipflop in b3 rook across in g3, as

first having undermine g3 liege any rally from white? Am in oh tour

de force black in too minds as to whether bh6 in e3 straight away it

is obvious in black ha rights in checkmate again queen it any in

combination g1 or slightly longer h4 and h3 potting around the lemon

in appears to be reticulated rookd1 angle to get

away from it nf3 in footing the bill, and bent in gentle d7 among

see lease g4 ment in rich again really it be4 inceed the point

staving off in bargain qa1 has access to d1 dilemma seems over

exchange it her d1 as booting ok, in wangle rookb3 will triumph in

doctor ever seems it pack in e3 g3 as boiling in point rook pick up

pawn h4xh3 01 I g4 rail in together bing e3 sergeant ah drill in

g1 bg2 choke hold in g3...

Sep-18-12  johnlspouge: @<sevenseaman>: Do what you will, but consider that I (and many others) greatly enjoy your posts, for their wit, as well as analysis.

< <agb2002> wrote: [snip] This is not a kindergarten where one of the children can impose his/her rules. > which I will add: what a dreary, monochromatic garden we would have here, without the personality that the writers among us dare to inject into their posts!

Sep-18-12  stst: check my visual:
39.fxg3 Qxg3
IF (A)40.Bg2 Be3+, 41.Kf1 Qf2#, but if 41.Kh1 Qh4#
IF (B)40.Kh1 Qh3+, 41.Kg1 Be3+, 42.Kf1 Qf2#
Sep-18-12  M.Hassan: <sevenseaman>:
I am delighted to see so many posts in your favour which denotes likes of your analysis and perhaps your personality. Leaving does not solve a problem.
Sep-18-12  dzechiel: <sevenseaman: I was planning to convey my gratefulness individually but I found every one did not have a forum where I could post individually.>

I saw your post wherein you seem to be retiring from the POTD because of suggestions by other users that your posts may not be your original analysis.

There are many good reasons to stop posting (just too busy is my excuse), but this is not one of them. I can tell you from personal experience that when I started to post my thoughts on the POTD (instead of the typical "Got it in 5 seconds!"), that there were many users leaving not very well veiled hints that they felt I must be looking at the game continuation before composing my solution. A lot of 'em.

Heed my advice and just take advantage of the "Ignore" button and keep posting as long as you feel compelled. You will be happier for it.

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  perfidious: <sevenseaman>: <dzechiel>'s advice in the final paragraph is well worth it, and the poster who impugned your credibility has long been in iggy-land, for a variety of reasons.
Sep-18-12  francis2012: I spent almost 5 minutes to solved this puzzle. ♖xg3+! is the winning move than the ♗e3? :D
Sep-18-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: Have not stopped by in a while, so I'm pleased to find a good Tuesday puzzle. Material is even in this opposite-colored bishops middlegame, but black's pieces are in active attacking positions, while white's major pieces do not defend the king. So we are drawn immediately to the forcing 39... Rxg3+!! (credit yourself "!!" only if you've worked out the follow-up against best defense) clearing the pawn shelter and exposing the WK to Q+B.

So we get 38... Rxg3+!! 39.fxg3 (39.Bg2 Rxg2+ and mate next or 39.Kh1/h2 Qh4+ and mate next) Qxg3+ and now:

A) 40.Bg2? Be3+ 41.Kh1 (Kf1 Qf2#) Qh5+ 42.Bh3 Qh3#

B) 41.Kh1! Qf3+! (quickly forcing the king to a dark square) and now:

B.1) 42.Kh2 Bf5+ 43.Kg1 Qg3+ 44.Bg2 Be3+ forcing mate as in A.

B.2) 42.Kg1 Be3+ 43.Kh2 Bf5+ forcing mate as in B.1.

B.3) 42.Bg2 Qh5+ 43.Kg1 (Bh3 Qxh3+ 44.Kg1 Be3#) Be3+ 44.Kf1 Qf5+ 45.Ke2 (Bf3 Qxf3+ 46.Ke1 Qf2#) Qf2+ 46.Kd3 e4+! 47.Kxe4 Qf5#! is the prettiest finish.

Review time...

Sep-18-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: Missed the 40.Be3 shortcut (making the preamble off target), but the B.3 line looks like the best solution using only checks.

I'd like to add my support to <sevenseaman>, always a good read. I've always thought that his posts were honest. Improvement in the quality of analysis is to be expected from someone who puts in the effort and loves the game.

Sep-18-12  Marmot PFL: <B.3) 42.Bg2 Qh5+ 43.Kg1 (Bh3 Qxh3+ 44.Kg1 Be3#) Be3+ 44.Kf1 Qf5+ 45.Ke2 (Bf3 Qxf3+ 46.Ke1 Qf2#) Qf2+ 46.Kd3 e4+! 47.Kxe4 Qf5#! is the prettiest finish.>

That is prettier than the game line although it takes longer. Another mate is 45 Ke2 Qc2+ 46 Kf3 Qf2+ 47 Kg4 Qxg2+ 48 Kh4 Bf2 mate. I would never see these lines without moving the pieces, but the point in all of them is that black can be a rook down for several moves yet white is helpless.

Sep-18-12  psmith: <CHESSTTCAMPS>: your "prettiest" line doesn't work... 46. (really that is 45 -- you lost track of a move) 46. Kd3 e4+? 47. Bxe4 . However, Black can win with 46. (Again really 45.) Kd3 Bh6 . (Assist from Rybka.)
Sep-18-12  sevenseaman: I have already posted my grateful thanks to all those posters who have expressed solidarity with me earlier than the following (in chronolgical order).

I can only say these loveable posts as an expression of support have deeply touched me, indeed deluged me emotionally.

I need time, a kind of sabattical. I will say I will not rush into any precipitate decision. My first decision was indeed painful but I assure you it was well-considered. I am sure all of you also realize the aspect how much I am going to miss the great folks that ccongregate on this wonderful site.

I do hope I have not overlooked any names.

1. yiotta
2. Oxspawn
3. TheHeavenSmile
4. Abdel Irada, (3rd time posting)
5. Robin Gitte
6. zb2cr (I agree)
7. agb2002
8. JG27Pyth
9. chrisowen (indecipherable as ever but perhaps)
10. Schach and Awe
11. Tiggler
12. scormus (2nd time posting)
13. Alex56171
14. Tiggler ( a very appropriate ruling)
15. rapidcitychess (at least a second posting)
16. johnlspouge
17. M.Hassan
18. dzechiel (Posting from retirement-very touching!) 19. perfidious (again)

Sep-18-12  Tiggler: OK, <sevenseaman>. At least I am glad to know you have read what we had to say. Au revoir.
Sep-19-12  Robin Gitte: <sevenseaman> Time heals. Come back soon.
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