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| Jan-22-08 | | brankat: It is highly unlikely the player was the "original" Albin Planinc. Due to a serious mental illness he retired from tournaments in 1979 and since then has spent years in mental institutions. Although this game is listed in A.Planinc page, You will notice that the one preceding it, was played in way back in 1979. Besides, both, first name Albin, and last name Planinc, are fairly common in Slovenia, so it is almost certainly another player, but with the same name. Incidentally, Dr.Milan Vidmar's son's name was Milan Vidmar. |
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| Jan-18-09 | | nescio: http://www.coruschess.com/article.p...:
"De Chessbase databank schrijft nog een nederlaag aan Planinc toe die hij in 1991 in een toernooi in Oostenrijk zou hebben geleden tegen Plachetka. Ten onrechte, Plachetka’s tegenstander in die partij heette in werkelijkheid <Gernot Plank>." I don't know the source of Ligterink's knowledge, but the name Plank for Plachetka's opponent doesn't seem improbable. |
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| Feb-08-10 | | Dimitrije Mandic: Wait, wait, wait. That's a Velimirovic Attack if I know one! |
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| Mar-05-15 | | jerseybob: Dimitrije: Yes it is a Velimirovic Attack, but it starts out as a Najdorf. The "classical" 7..Nc6 steers it away from Najdorf territory. |
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| Jan-29-16 | | luftforlife: <nescio>: Thank you so much for the valuable information, which I've been able to corroborate by adversion to a thoroughgoing website entry that to me seems to be comprehensive and authoritative. So far as I can tell, the Internationales Minolta Schachturnier Hartberg Open 1991, organized by Schachklub Hartberg, was held from July 15 through July 24, 1991. Review of the alphabetical list of the 236 participating players reveals that GM Jan Plachetka (of Austria/Wien) and Gernot Plank (of Semriach) participated, but Albin Planinc (or Albin Planinec) did not. Plachetka (playing White) beat Plank (playing Black) 1-0 in Round 1. Plachetka's starting tournament ranking was 26th, and his final ranking was 35th; Plank's starting tournament ranking was 139th, and his final ranking was 79th. I gleaned the foregoing information from various lists and tables found for this tournament on the chess-results website. Here is a link to the list of Round 1 pairings and results (see line 26 in pertinent part): http://chess-results.com/tnr91.aspx... I don't know of any published volumes that would provide more authoritative substantiation (or substantive authentication) that this site provides. So far as I know, Jeremy Gaige and Gino di Felice's most recent tournament-archive volumes end at 1980. Any elucidation of course would be most welcome. I'm pretty new here on this wonderful site, so I'm not sure whether the source I have discovered for my corroborative attribution of this game as Plachetka-Plank (and not Plachetka-Planinc or Plachetka-Planinec) is sufficiently authoritative to warrant the submission of a correction slip. I'm happy to submit a slip if it would be appropriate for me to do so. Best wishes to all. Play on! ~ lufty |
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| Jan-29-16 | | luftforlife: <nescio>: Although the link you helpfully provided to the coruschess website is now broken, here's a link to IM Gert Ligterink's online column of December 30, 2008, entitled "Het pad van Planinc," as posted and hosted on the Tata Steel Chess website: http://www.tatasteelchess.com/news/... Cheers! ~ lufty
P.S.: I've submitted a correction slip. Hope the correction is in order. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | Brenin: Unlike White, I chose 20 Qg4, e.g. 20 ... Bxf5 21 Bg7+ Kg8 22 exf5 Qxc2+ 23 Kxc2 Ne3+ 24 Kb1 Nxg4 25 Bxf6, and the pinned N on g4 is lost, leaving White a piece up. If 20 ... Nf4 (as in the game), then 21 Bg7+ Kg8 22 Bxf6+ Ng6 23 Qh5 (not available after 20 Qg2) and 24 fxg6. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | BxChess: I thought 20. Qg4 as it gives the queen the option of moving to the h file and still controlling g6 if the Knight moves there as in the game. For example
20. Qg4 Nf4 21. Bg7+ Kg8 22. Bxf6+ Ng6 23. Qh5 Qb6 24. fxg6 fxg6
25. Rxg6+ Kf7 26. Qxh7+ Ke6 27. Qe7# |
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Jan-27-22
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| Jan-27-22 | | mel gibson: I saw 20. Bxf8 and 20. Qg4 as possibilities.
There are many solutions according to Stockfish 14. This is the chosen solution - the same as the text:
20. Qg2
(20. Qg2
(♕e2-g2 ♘d5-f4 ♗h6-g7+ ♔h8-g8 ♗g7xf6+ ♘f4-g6 ♕g2-g5 ♕c7-c6
♗f6xe5 ♗c8xf5 e4xf5 ♖a8-c8 c2-c4 ♖f8-e8 ♗e5-c3 ♕c6-b6 ♖g1-g3 ♖c8-c6 ♕g5-h6
♖c6-f6 ♖g3-h3 ♘g6-e5 ♕h6xh7+ ♔g8-f8 ♕h7-h8+ ♔f8-e7 ♕h8-h4 ♕b6-c5 ♕h4-g5
♖e8-c8 ♖d1-e1 ♕c5-d6 ♗c3xe5 ♔e7-d7 ♕g5xf6 ♕d6xf6 ♗e5xf6 ♔d7-d6 ♗f6-c3
♔d6-d7 ♖h3-h7 ♖c8-f8 ♗c3-b4 ♖f8-g8 ♖h7xf7+ ♔d7-c8 ♖e1-e7 b7-b5 ♖e7-a7
♖g8-g1+ ♔c1-d2) +15.00/36 661)
score for White +15.00 depth 36.
However when I force it to play 20. Qg4 _ it's a stronger move. 20. Qg4
(20. Qg4 Bxf5 (♗c8xf5 ♗h6-g7+ ♔h8-g8 e4xf5 ♕c7xc2+ ♔c1xc2 ♘d5-e3+
♔c2-b1 ♘e3xg4 ♗g7xf6 h7-h5 h2-h3 ♖a8-c8 h3xg4 ♖c8-c6 g4xh5+ ♔g8-h7 ♗f6xe5
♖f8-e8 ♗e5-c3 ♖c6-c7 ♖g1-g7+ ♔h7-h6 ♖d1-d6+ f7-f6 ♖g7xc7 ♔h6-g5 ♖c7xb7
a6-a5 ♖d6xf6 ♖e8-d8 h5-h6 ♖d8-d1+ ♔b1-a2 a5-a4 b3xa4 ♖d1-d8 h6-h7 ♖d8-a8
♖f6-g6+ ♔g5-f4 h7-h8♕ ♖a8xh8 ♗c3xh8 ♔f4-e4 ♖b7-e7+ ♔e4-f3 f5-f6 ♔f3-f4
f6-f7 ♔f4-f5 f7-f8♕+ ♔f5xg6 ♖e7-g7+ ♔g6-h5 ♕f8-f5+ ♔h5-h6 ♕f5-g6+) -M29/51
738)
Black loses - mate in 29.
What about 20. Bxf8 _ it still wins but not as strong. (20. Bxf8 Bxf5 (♗c8xf5 ♖d1xd5 ♗f5-g6 ♗f8-d6 ♕c7-b6 ♖g1-f1 ♗f6-g7 ♗d6xe5 ♖a8-e8 ♗e5xg7+ ♔h8xg7
♖f1-f4 ♕b6-g1+ ♖d5-d1 ♕g1-c5 ♕e2-d3 ♕c5-c7 ♕d3-e3 b7-b5 ♖d1-d5 ♔g7-g8
♕e3-d2 b5-b4 ♔c1-b1 a6-a5 ♖f4-g4 ♖e8xe4 ♖d5-d8+ ♔g8-g7 ♖g4xe4 ♗g6xe4
♕d2-d4+ ♔g7-h6 ♖d8-d6+ ♔h6-h5 ♕d4-e5+ f7-f5 ♖d6-h6+ ♔h5xh6 ♕e5xc7 ♔h6-g6)
-6.07/35 191))
score for Black -6.07 depth 35. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | Refused: put the queen somewhere on the g-file and game over. (threat being Bg7+-Bxf6+-Qg7# Couldn't really see a diffrence between 1.Qg4 and 1.Qg2 1.Qg2 feels intuitively a bit more natural to me.
1...Nf4 (inserting Bxf5 2.Bg7+ Kg8 3.gxf5) doesn't help things) 2.Bg7+ Kg8 3.Bxf6+ Ng6 (obviously not Nxg2 4.Rxg2#) 4.Qg5 (threat Qh6-g7#) Qc6
4.Bxe5 f6 5.Qh6 +- as black just gets beaten into submission after fxg6 |
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Jan-27-22
 | | Breunor: I think the difference between 20 Qg2 and Qg4 is that after Qg4 black can try Bxf5, although it still loses badly. |
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Jan-27-22
 | | agb2002: White has a pawn for a bishop and a knight.
The open g-file suggests Qg2 and Qg4 (surely stronger than the prosaic Bxf8). In the case of 20.Qg4:
A) 20... Nf4 21.Bg7+ Kg8 (21... Bxg7 22.Qxg7#) 22.Bxf6+ Ng6 (22... Nxg2 23.Rxg2#) 23.Qh4 Qc6 (due to Qh6 and Rd3-Qxh7+) 24.fxg6 fxg6 25.Rxg6+ hxg6 26.Qh8+ Kf7 27.Qg7+ Ke6(8) 28.Qe7#. B) 20... Bxf5 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.Bxf6+ Bxg4 23.Rxg4#. C) 20... Rd8 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.Bxf6+ Kf8 23.Qg8#.
D) 20... Bg5+ 21.Qxg5 f6 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Bxf6+ Kf7 24.Rxd5 wins (24... Bd7 25.Qg7+ Ke8 26.Qe7#; 24... Ke8 25.Rd8+). |
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| Jan-27-22 | | murkia: I chose Qg4 on the (possibly mistaken) basis that,in general, the closer the Q gets to the opponent's K the better. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | AlicesKnight: Like others I found Qg4 first with Bxf8 or Bg7+ in the offing depending on response; it looked as if White could at the least regain his lost material with interest. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | parch: Went for 20.Qg4 Ne7 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.B:f6+ Ng6
23.Qh5 Qc6 24.fg6 fg6 25.R:g6+ Kf7
(25...hg6 26.Q:g6# )
26.Q:h7+ Ke8
(26...Ke6 27.Qe7# )
27.Qe7# |
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| Jan-27-22 | | TheaN: Bit of a sloppy week so far, I missed the interposing idea on g6 entirely, so that's no credit. The subtle difference between Qg2 and Qg4 is interesting though: it's not whether the queen's attacked by the bishop, it's that on g2 the queen's defending c2 and prevents a fork on e3. And that line arises from 20....Bxf5: because Black's move connects the rooks, White doesn't have time to similar capture on f5: 21.exf5? Rg8 -+. Thus, 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.exf5. In the Qg4 line, Black now has 22....Qxc2+!?:
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23.Kxc2 Ne3+ 24.Kb1 Nxg4 25.Bxf6! h5 26.h3 +- and White will pick up Ng4 and continue the attack with the rooks instead. If the queen is in g2, this line doesn't exist because White has 23.Qxc2, threatening Bxf6# so Black has no time for Rac8 (and would, even then, be lost). So instead, Black will still have to play 22....Nf4, and after 23.Bxf6+ Ng6 we're in the game line with Bc8 off the board and Black will get mated soon. |
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Jan-27-22
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| Jan-27-22 | | Refused: < agb2002: White has a pawn for a bishop and a knight.
The open g-file suggests Qg2 and Qg4 (surely stronger than the prosaic Bxf8). In the case of 20.Qg4:
A) 20... Nf4 21.Bg7+ Kg8 (21... Bxg7 22.Qxg7#) 22.Bxf6+ Ng6 (22... Nxg2 23.Rxg2#) 23.Qh4 Qc6 (due to Qh6 and Rd3-Qxh7+) 24.fxg6 fxg6 25.Rxg6+ hxg6 26.Qh8+ Kf7 27.Qg7+ Ke6(8) 28.Qe7#. B) 20... Bxf5 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.Bxf6+ Bxg4 23.Rxg4#. C) 20... Rd8 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.Bxf6+ Kf8 23.Qg8#.
D) 20... Bg5+ 21.Qxg5 f6 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Bxf6+ Kf7 24.Rxd5 wins (24... Bd7 25.Qg7+ Ke8 26.Qe7#; 24... Ke8 25.Rd8+).> your Line B) misses the entire point of Bxf5
20...Bxf5 21.Bg7+! Kg8 now your 22.Bxf6+(?) is something between an inaccuracy and a mistake, but at the very least it's careless. 22...Bg6. Black closes the g-file. 22.exf5 has to be played first imo. |
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Jan-27-22
| | chrisowen: X hmm o number 833 to no? |
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| Jan-27-22 | | PeterJ: 20 Qg4 Nf4 21Bg7 Kg8 22 Qf4! Bg7 23 Rg7! leads quickly to mate or 22 Bg5 23 Bf6! |
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| Jan-27-22 | | N0B0DY: Nobody's planking here, too. |
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| Jan-27-22 | | johnnydeep: Lots of ways to go wrong here, and sadly, I managed to try all of them :-) |
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Jan-28-22
| | agb2002: <Refused> You're right. Thank you! |
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Jan-28-22
 | | ajk68: 14...e5??
Two mistakes here:
1) not completing development
2) surrendering the d5 square. |
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