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Jun-27-04
 | | ray keene: acirce-cross of st george -widely used when england plays separately from the uk.you see it all over now during the football euro teams tho its a bit late to fly it after we lost to portugal. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | WMD: England's flag is known as St.George's. http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-eng.html |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: i am sorry-i dont think biglos flag explanation makes any sense at all-i repeat the red cross is the cross of st george the patron saint of england! |
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| Jun-27-04 | | WMD: I trust Mickey is wearing the Three Lions somewhere on his person. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Okey, thank you <WMD> and <ray>. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | arifattar: ok, I am currently in the UK and I know, that the Union Jack is a combination of the flags of england, scotland and wales. The cross of St. George is england's flag. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | WMD: The Union Jack comprises the cross of St.George (England), the cross of St. Andrew (Scotland) and the cross of St. Patrick (Ireland). See: http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-hist.h... |
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| Jun-27-04 | | otello: white is up about a pawn, per fritz |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ksadler: Yes I did go nuts when I saw this game Sneaky :) And to another poster who said this, 6. e6 does in fact refute this line, as in Blatny vs K Hornung, 1986 , where White's Knight has a tremendous outpost for the majority of the game. Nice to see the Alekhine in a high-level game though and that it is good enough for a draw against one of the 10 highest rated players in the world. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: 6.e6 refutes nothing. It is the main line but Black gets exactly the sharp play that he wanted in a must-win game like this. <and that it is good enough for a draw against one of the 10 highest rated players in the world.> Nakamura only got away with draw because Adams didn't have to win. White was better all the time and totally so after ..g5?! |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ksadler: Dragon40 said "I can only recall one World Championship Match (Fischer-Spassky) in which the Alekhine was used at all...it is just not what the black players want when trying to win." Fischer actually had 1 win and a draw against Spassky in 72 with the Alekhine, which is actually what he went to when Spassky ripped apart his Sicilian. The games are here: Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 , Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 . As well, Max Euwe played the Alekhine against Alekhine himself to help secure the title: Alekhine vs Euwe, 1935 . But you are right, at the top level, the Alekhine is a drawish opening, although strong players such as Vassily Ivanchuk and Nigel Short have played it recently, including a draw against Kasparov: Kasparov vs Short, 2002 . I hate to keep spamming, but here is one of Kasparov's all-time most explosive games, which happens to be against the Alekhine: Kasparov vs Palatnik, 1978 . |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ksadler: "acirce: 6.e6 refutes nothing. It is the main line but Black gets exactly the sharp play that he wanted in a must-win game like this." Perhaps refutes is a strong word, but definitely easier to play for White and gives a comfortable advantage, IMHO. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Yeah I also think it is objectively better than 6.exd6. The latter move suited Adams' purposes better though. Btw you're not spamming, those are interesting games you point out. |
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Jun-27-04
 | | mahmoudkubba: Is it true what I just heard on TV that the big man (is he Adam or Nakumara) did something in a court or something or is it just propaganda news and does he have the right to do such thing??just what I heard honest nothing much but something like asking a divorce or something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(15!s). |
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| Jun-27-04 | | komla: <mahmoudkubba> What TV channel are talking about? Does anybody know of any TV channel on SKY where they talk about this chess event? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | mack: Whaaat!? Chess mentioned on TV? Sure you weren't dreaming, <kubba>? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | arifattar: could anyone give me the link to the fide site please |
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| Jun-27-04 | | dragon40: <ksadler> No, you are not spamming at all, I agree with <acirce> that you did have good points!
And the 6.e6 move would have played into Naka's hands and he did get the draw because Adams was clearly better when he offered the Draw and Naka knew this...
The Alekhine, IMO, is good at the high levels once in a while; there are just too many lines that White can dictate the outcome as Adams did here today. Unless White is going to play 6.e6 in this line of the 4 PAwns Attack as Bronstein and a few other players have, then the players of the Black pieces best look elsewhere to get advantages from that side of the board against the E Pawn.
Of course, to play it against tactical juggernauts as Kasparov can be, or Anand,as well as other E pawn devotees, you have to have allot of nerve and good preparation, which Palatnik did not have, but at that time, Kasparov was dynamite tactically, so he was rather a fool to essay it against him (in my opinion). |
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| Jun-27-04 | | biglo: <ray keene>
I'm from Northern Ireland where we live and breathe flags. The Union Jack is actually officially called the Union Flag unless it is on a ship. It embodies elements of flags from 3 of the home nations - that of England (St George's Cross) i.e. the Red + shape, Scotland (St Andrews Cross) the Blue with the White X shape and the lesser known Irish flag (St Patrick's Cross) with its white background and it's Red X shape cross. I didn't want to go to this detail but your dismissal of my earlier effort forced this more elaborate explanation. |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: biglo
re flags-i had no idea about the st patricks cross x that doesnt alter the fact that what everyone is flying in england now is the red cross of st george but its a useful piece of information which i bet most people dont know. its amazing what you can learn on a chess site/and if this isnt asking too much from our flag expert-do the welsh get any sort of look in on the union flag/union jack? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | biglo: <ray keene>
As far as I am aware the Welsh have no part in the Union Flag. Yes it was the St George's Cross that Spider Adams had on his chess table. :-) |
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| Jun-27-04 | | clocked: "The Welsh dragon was not incorporated into the Union Flag because Wales had already been united to England when the first version of the Union Flag was designed in 1606." |
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Jun-27-04
 | | tpstar: <all> Thank you very much for your insight into flags. I try to be an enlightened American (if there is such a thing) but honestly don't remember seeing St. George's Cross used in this way. I had suspected this was some protest against the exclusionary nature of this tournament, but in fact it seems quite innocent. For our British mates, please tell Baby Spice to start wearing more types of flags, if only to educate the world! |
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Jun-27-04
| | Bobsterman3000: <arifattar> Here's the link to the FIDE site: http://wcclibya2004.com/main.asp |
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| Jun-27-04 | | jeffnool: Naka should have try for more here. Pity for him but give toast to Adams... |
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