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| Nov-23-11 | | morfishine: <12.Bg5 Nf6 13.Rxf6> and either capture loses for Black: (1) 13...gxf6 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.Qe8 mate
(2) 13...Qxe4 14.Rd6 mate |
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| Nov-23-11 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: White is down a pawn, but the lineup of queen and displaced black king invites a quick finish. 12.Bg5 mates or wins the pinned queen:
A) 12... Qxg5 13.Qe8#
B) 12... Nf6 13.Rxf6! Bd7 14.Rf5 Bxf5 15.Qxf5 leaves white up Q+N for a R. B.1) 13... Qxe4 14.Rd6#
B.2) 13... gxf6 14.Bxf6 wins queen (14... Qxf6 15.Qe8#) |
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| Nov-23-11 | | jackalope: Hmm... Got the first moves <12. Bg5 Nf6 13. Rxf6>. Black has to realize at this point his queen is dead and look for his best continuation <13. ... h6>. After reading the posts, IMHO h6 is not getting the credit it's due. <14. Qxd4+ Bd7>
<15. Rxh6 Rxh6 16. Bxe7+ Kxe7 17. Bd5> Q+B+N+5p vs 2R+2B+4p Maybe I'm missing something for White but the position seems pretty close to equal. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | Marmot PFL: Was this a real game or analysis? we may never know. |
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Nov-23-11
 | | kevin86: Pity:the queen is first pinned to the e-file because of mate. Finally,when she has the chance to capture the opposing queen-who pinned her,her king suffers the fate of a double check and mate. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | Everyone: <brankat: Everyone got it right today.> That's surprisingly right, Sir! |
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| Nov-23-11 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: <<agb2002:> The position puzzle shows a rook on a1. If this is a mistake, the evaluation of every line (except that ending with mate) will change substantially.> <<jackalope:> ..... After reading the posts, IMHO h6 is not getting the credit it's due.> Agreed on both points. I'm sure that most folks analyzed assuming the rook on a1 and 13... h6 puts up a real fight. Therefore, playing the Crafty EGT link should prove a good challenge for many kibitzers. http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... |
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Nov-23-11
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Nailed it, either Black missed the mate, (the most likely); or saw the final position and decided to go out with a bang. |
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Nov-23-11
| | LIFE Master AJ: One for the "OOOooopppps!!!!!" dept, the puzzle position is wrong, no Rook on a1. |
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Nov-23-11
 | | chrisowen: Peered Ossip into the gloom rag one bg5 nf6 is it 13.Rxf6 taking cart-horse eminate god ha NN a h6 cipher divine rookd6+ still win iva Tom, Dick and Harry the pigeon missed in bf7+ trouble for black doomer e4 pow the boardwalk enter d6s allez up it take big able. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | lost in space: Got it right away |
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| Nov-23-11 | | brankat: <<brankat: <Everyone got it right today.> That's surprisingly right, Sir!> About time, too :-) |
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| Nov-23-11 | | TheFocus: <LIFE Master AJ>< One for the "OOOooopppps!!!!!" dept, the puzzle position is wrong, no Rook on a1.> No. Bernstein gave QR odds in this game. The starting position is correct. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | JoergWalter: <LIFE Master AJ: One for the "OOOooopppps!!!!!" dept, the puzzle position is wrong, no Rook on a1.> It is no. 245 in Chernev's 1000 best short games. A book <LMAJ> has missed.
(Remove white's queen rook it says) |
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| Nov-23-11 | | SimonWebbsTiger: AJ should learn to read.
A little note appends the score to this game: <Chess Variants (000)> |
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| Nov-23-11 | | JoergWalter: actually, the position on the chessgames.com starting page is wrong.
It shows a rook on a1. (on my screen) |
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| Nov-23-11 | | BOSTER: After 8.Bc4 black should play dxe5 opening the line for queen, and if 9.fxe5 Nb6 keeping the "f" file closed, even with possibiity to play f5. With the same success puzzle should be begin White to play 11. |
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Nov-23-11
 | | agb2002: < CHESSTTCAMPS: <<agb2002:> The position puzzle shows a rook on a1. If this is a mistake, the evaluation of every line (except that ending with mate) will change substantially.> <<jackalope:> ..... After reading the posts, IMHO h6 is not getting the credit it's due.> Agreed on both points. I'm sure that most folks analyzed assuming the rook on a1 and 13... h6 puts up a real fight. Therefore, playing the Crafty EGT link should prove a good challenge for many kibitzers. http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
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This is how I started
12.Bg5 Nf6
13.Rxf6 h6
14.Rxh6 Rxh6
15.Bxe7+ Bxe7
16.Qxd4+ Rd6
17.Qxg7 Rd1+
18.Kf2 Rxb1
19.Qg8+ Kd7
20.Be6+ Kd6
21.Bxc8 Rxc8
22.Qxc8 Rxb2
23.Qf5
and then pushed the g- and h-pawns combined with queen checks forcing the loss of both black pieces. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | bachbeet: Got the first move but didn't really see the rook's involvement. Maybe if I'd spent more time at it. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: <<agb2002:
<12.Bg5 Nf6
13.Rxf6 h6
14.Rxh6 Rxh6
15.Bxe7+ Bxe7
16.Qxd4+ Rd6
17.Qxg7 Rd1+
18.Kf2 Rxb1
19.Qg8+ Kd7
20.Be6+ Kd6
21.Bxc8 Rxc8
22.Qxc8 Rxb2
23.Qf5 >
Yes, I used a similar plan with a slightly different implementation, diverging at move 14 to keep the black rook on the back rank: 14.Re6
click for larger viewhxg5 15.Rxe7 Bxe7 16.Qxd4+ Bd6 17.Qxg7 Rf8 18.Qxg5+ Be7 19.Qd5+ Bd6 20.Nd2 Ke7 21.Bg6 Be6 22.Qg5+ Kd7 23.Ne4 Kf6 
click for larger viewNow after 23.Nxd6 cxd6 24.h4, white has an easy task mobilizing the kingside pawns without facing counterplay from the rooks and bishops. |
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Nov-23-11
 | | Penguincw: I found 12.♗g5 but not the follow up. |
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| Nov-23-11 | | M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy" White to play 12.?
White is a pawn down
12.Bg5
Pinned Queen can not capture e4 and if he captures Bishop, i.e <12....Qxg5
13.Qe8#>
12..........Nf6
13.Rxf6 Qxe4
14.Rd6++#
Time to check
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The puzzle position in the game shows Rook on a1 missing |
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| Nov-24-11 | | TheBish: O Bernstein vs NN, 1931 White to play (12.?) "Medium/Easy"
I did this late last night, but was too tired to post. Already "Turkey Day" (Thanksgiving, for those of you outside the USA) EST, but posting anyway to be able to quickly find the game in the future -- I like to put puzzle pages together for my students. 12. Bg5! Nf6
Forced, as 12...Qxg5 13. Qe8# is curtains for Black.
13. Rxf6!! and Black can resign, or lose very quickly or more slowly: A) 13...Qxe4 14. Rd6 mate! Power of the double-check! B) 13...gxf6 14. Bxf6 and winning the queen, as again 14...Qxf6 15. Qe8#. C) 13...h6 (probably best try) 14. Re6! hxg5 (or 14...Qxg5 15. Re8+ Kd7 16. Qe6#, or 14...Bxe6 15. Bxe7+ Bxe7 16. Qxe6) 15. Rxe7 Bxe7 16. Qxd4+ followed by 17. Qxg7 with an overwhelming material superiority (queen for a rook), not to mention a sitting duck disguised as a Black king! D) 13...Bd7 14. Rf5! Bxf5 15. Qxf5 followed by 16. Bxe7, winning the queen. |
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| Nov-24-11 | | TheBish: You can tell the level of the Black player (NN), gobbling up White's queen and walking into a double-check mate! Somebody's eyes were bigger than his stomach! (Thanksgiving feast analogy, as today is turkey day!) |
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Nov-24-11
 | | FSR: Most people, including NN (what do you expect?) and me, missed 13...h6!, which as jackalope points out is the only line that enables Black to keep resisting. |
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