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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous game (1620), ?, rd 26
French Defense: Advance Variation (C02)  ·  1-0



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May-22-04  d4Nf6Bg5: why resign here? does white have an unstoppable mate threat with Bh6 and then Qg4?
May-22-04  SicilianDefence: yup NN is done. cant stop the mate.
May-28-04  ivan2kilu: he can stop the mate, but then he'd lose the Q
Aug-30-04  Funkytrip: How can he stop the mate then? Be it 1 move extra, the mate is unavoidable I think... Whatever black's next move is, it cannot prevent Qh7 right?
Aug-30-04  RonB52734: well, strictly speaking, 18...h5 "prevents" 19.Qxh7, but neither black's pawn nor queen can "prevent" mate in the next few moves.
Feb-09-05  InspiredByMorphy: 4. ...Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 is a better continuation for black.
May-01-05  halcyonteam: Re8, stops mate, but loses Queen (skewered by bishop).
May-05-05  schnarre: Mmmmhmmmm, Black is finished.
Jun-10-05  FearsomePawn: <halcyonteam> Really? Doesn't White still mate with (after Re8) 19. Qxh7+ Kf8 20. Qh8+ Ke7 21. Bg5+ (the so called skewer but this mates too) f6 22. Bxf6+ Kf7 23. Qg7#.

I didn't verify this with a computer but this seems right.

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  keypusher: <19. Qxh7+ Kf8 20. Qh8+ Ke7 21. Bg5+ (the so called skewer but this mates too) f6 22. Bxf6+ Kf7 23. Qg7#.>

In the above line 22 Qg7 is mate; white can also mate with 19 Qh6 threatening 20 Bxh7+ Kh8 21 Bg6+ and mate in two; if 19...f6 20 Qxh7+ Kf8 21 Bh6#.

Oct-20-05  DeepBlade: Greco just broke the pawn structure which defended the castled King, and after a fierce excange he had an Queen and 2 Bishops facing to the Castled King. Gotta love Greco-style.
Dec-11-05  Chopin: This game is a beauty. I love how he shatters the black pawn structure- the poor black king is helpless.
Dec-11-05  lentil: 18. ..Re8 19. Qxh7+ Kf8 20. Bh6+ Ke7 21. Bg5+ Kf8 22. Qh8#
Jan-13-06  schnarre: Curtains!
Jan-14-06  morpstau: A stupid game indeed. The black player was probly rated 1200
Jan-20-06  schnarre: More likely showing why carelessness gets duly punished!
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  keypusher: Black was playing first-rate chess until his fourth move.
May-21-06  Microbe: Something important to remember about Greco...he loved his composed games. NN probably didn't exist, that's why he didn't play too great after move four, he was just showing a neat mate for white.
Apr-04-07  realbrob: Yet, it's strange that Black resigned before being checkmated, usually these "prehistoric" games end with a sound mate!
Aug-21-16  Christoforus Polacco: This is rather theoretical varriant. I have big respect for Greco when I realize that chess literature in his time was rather poor. He had to create himself new chess theory without computer's and book's help. And chess was not so popular like today. It was a some ''secret knowledge'':)
May-09-17  Yigor: French defense: Advance variation: Cc-exchange. 5...Nc6 and 5...Ne7 are the best moves. 5...Bb4+, played by NN, is suboptimal.

PSCC: 2DEd1e (French defense) -> 3E2Dd1e (Advance variation) -> 3E2Dcd1e -> 3E2Dcd1Ce -> 6Cc3E2Dd1e (CC-exchange).

Oct-25-20  Parlour Panther: Black made it too easy, I think NN is famous for inventing the self-mate puzzle
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  DanQuigley: One of the questions I like to ask myself when going over games such as this is, "When is the latest point the losing player could have played a different move and had a reasonable expectation of staving off loss if both players were grandmaster strength?"

My candidate is Black's seventh move, the mistake 7...Nc6. Black should have played this move as his fourth move, his fifth, or his sixth, but on move 7, it no longer does much. Black instead has to worry about defending the now nude kingside, especially that g7 square the bishop on f8 no longer covers. If Black plays 7...Ne7 or maybe 7...Qc7, I think many grandmasters could hold that position.

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