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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous game (1620), ?, rd 5
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Center Attack (C53)  ·  1-0

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Kibitzer's Corner
Aug-29-04  morphy234: very neat trap !!
Sep-23-04  joebassin: 7...Bxf2+ 8. Ke2 Qe7 9. Qxe4 Bb6 10. Re1 0-0 black lose a knight for a pawn and white cannot castle anymore there is no reason to resign here
Sep-23-04  mjk: <joebassin> 10.♗g5 f6 11.♗e3 delays Black's castling and weakens the K-side. White is still up a piece for a pawn.
Sep-24-04  joebassin: you are right, but I don't think black should resign after 7. Qd5
Nov-20-04  Knight13: 6... Nxe4?? NN seems likely to fall into traps a lot!
Feb-18-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  InspiredByMorphy: 5. ...cxd4 was correct. 6. ...d5 would have been better than 6. ...Nxe4.
Feb-18-05  Saruman: <joebassin> An advantage of 2 pawns is nearly always winning and the white king isnt that unsafe. I say its a hopeless game for black.
Mar-18-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  InspiredByMorphy: Above I meant to say 5. ...exd4 was correct.
Jun-27-05  Happypuppet: <you are right, but I don't think black should resign after 7. Qd5>

Greco's games were suspected to be made up by him (eg he played both sides) to demonstrate opening traps, mating patterns, and other things. Black probably didn't really resign, but instead Greco "ended" the game here because he had shown the opening trap he intended to.

Oct-23-05  DeepBlade: As you all can see White has mate in one, with the Bishop and Queen on the same diagonal, facing Black's weak f7 square. So Black has to worry about 2 things; mate or material.
Nov-20-05  Chopin: I remember playing against a friend of mine and after NXe4, I didn't feel like killing him, so I simply played Bf7+, KXf7 then Qd5+ and win the Knight. I still won the game. Call me a humanitarian :)
Dec-01-05  DeepBlade: <Chopin> While playing chess, I go for the kill WITHOUT pity. When facing a total noob, I try a smothered mate, because it looks cool.

But when facing a friend, exceptions can be made.

Dec-01-05  Chopin: <DeepBlade> He was also my ride home- I didn't feel like taking a bus home during a Canadian winter. I should have picked him up instead :)
Dec-12-05  DeepBlade: <Chopin> after seeing your profile, ive noticed you like Greco's games and traps, just like me! Maybe we can play together sometime.
May-12-06  MagnaPsygnosis: Greco... is nothing better than Carlsen and Ponomariov, playing for material.... Although i must say that the 6th move foloowed by the 7th move, can be an interresting novelty in the Italian Game\Guiocco Paino variation... i would like to analize it further... If i get the time
Mar-26-07  GrandPatzerSCL: Hey <ChessGames.com>, the word "Attack" is spelled incorrectly in the opening description. Italian Game: etc...
Sep-26-07  wolfmaster: 5...Bb6 is a markedly inferior move to the normal ...exd4.
Jul-14-10  kibitzwc: they still havn't corrected 'atttack'
3 years later now.
hm..............
Jul-23-11  squaresquat: black's fine after 6...Ng4
Nov-15-14  sneaky pete: After 6... Ng4 7.Bxf7+ .. White keeps an extra pawn in a better position.
Jun-19-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Ziryab: Although this opening trap appears in Greco’s Corsini manuscript (1620), and has long been known through his collections, it did not originate with Greco. He likely copied it from one of several manuscripts by Polerio.

It’s earliest known appearance is in a manuscript discovered in 1939 by the scholar Adriano Chicco. The author of the manuscript was identified by Chicco as Annibale Romei with a likely date of composition 1565-1568. Romei died in 1590.

Romei offers the line 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qd5+ with the suggestion that 7.Qd5 is an improvement.

See Peter J. Monté, <The Classical Era of Modern Chess> (2014), pp. 189, 191, 193, 460.

Sep-19-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Marcelo Bruno: And how about directly 7…Qe7?

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