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Johann Jacob Loewenthal vs Jozsef Szen
"Szen Old Szen Old" (game of the day Jul-25-2010)
Budapest (1842)
Italian Game: Classical. De la Bourdonnais Variation (C53)  ·  1-0



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Jan-01-05  Knight13: Attacks among the Black King and Black seems to have failed. Great strategy.
Jan-20-07  wolfmaster: Loewenthal seems like he was about a 24-2500 player at the time, though he lost more games than he won on the database
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  Phony Benoni: <wolfmaster: Loewenthal seems like he was about a 24-2500 player at the time...>

That seems to be a very safe assumption. In fact, I don't know anyone rated below 24.

Jul-25-10  CapablancaFan122: <In fact, I don't know anyone rated below 24.> Isn't there a computer player in Chessmaster that's rated 15? :)

I really like the end position: Not only has Szen lost his queen, but his king is hopelessly entangled as well.

Jul-25-10  newzild: I'll be the first naysayer and question the decision to make this a game of the day. A reasonably standard kingside attack followed by a fairly elementary rout.
Jul-25-10  Sem: newzild, what would you like better: a game of the day or a dame of the gay?
Jul-25-10  rapidcitychess: <PhonyBenoni><I don't know anyone rated under 24> The limit low on a USCF rating is 100, on the perfectionist side of me. But nice anyway!


Jul-25-10  rapidcitychess: Any way on to the game.
Definitely a instructive game.
In the early opening, Black gave up the center for no reason, following it by the patzer-ish move 8...h6? then foolishly 9....O-O?! which says "Go ahead. Gain space. Make my day."I think that trying to castle long might of been better. But white plays then 10.a3? I guess he was trying to play 11.b4, but then decided against it. 11...Nh7?! Once again, black seems to be retreating when he needs counter attack like 11...Re8 12. Re1 d5! with the idea that 13.exd5 Rxe1+ and black wins the 1st d-pawn. 11.Ne2 Trying to get to f4 or g3. I think g3 then f5 is the best try for this knight. 11...Ne7? This proves that black is playing passively, without any plan. 12.Nf4 c6 Too late. 13.Bb3 d5 14.e5 Bc7 15.Bc2 Bf5 Trading pieces is a good policy in these cramped spaces but here it allows white more space. 16.Bxf5 Nxf5 17.Qd3 Perhaps better was 17.g4. 17...Qd7 18.Bd2 Ne7 19.Rc1 Seems like White should play for kingside space, not Queen side. 19...Rfe8 ...And Black needs tho play ...c5 20.g4 Finally! 20...Nf8?! 21.Nh5 Qe6?!22.Nh4 Kh8 23.f4 f6? Loses a pawn, but seems to do worse. 24.f5 Qf7? 25.exf6/25.e6 Creates a crushing bind. The trapped Queen is why I believe that 24...Qf7 is a mistake. 25...gxf6 25.Bxh6 Nd7 26.Bg7+ Kh7 27.Qd2 Ng8 The rest needs no comment. Oh by the way, I know my numbers are off, but on this computer, in order to change that is requires me to delete the entire post. Any way, a insructive game, not a GOTD to me, and the pun seems odd to me I say it like "Zen old, Zen old" Maybe it's just me.


Jul-25-10  zanshin: < and the pun seems odd to me I say it like "Zen old, Zen old" Maybe it's just me.>

<RCC> According to his player page, it's pronounced 'Sane' - so the pun works .. maybe not the best one though.

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  playground player: Is it just me... or can it really be harder, sometimes, to beat a true patzer who's just making it up as he goes along, than it is to beat somebody who has a fair idea of what he's doing? I mean, some of these opponents who never even heard of "the book" can be pretty tough.
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  mahmoudkubba: <<Szen Old Szen Old>>: The say of the day on thus game: Does it has any relation with a girl called Suzy?? and is there any relation with the game to say Lotta's bad woman if she is really that bad? (((According to methodological and religious stories)))???

Any how I do remember playing two games one with one sacrifice like the end of this game and one with two like that. One of these was threatening the king then capturing a bishop.

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  Phony Benoni: I think the point of the pun is "Same old same old", an English idiom basically meaning that everything old is new again. It doesn't strike me as a particularly good pun.

<playground player: Is it just me... or can it really be harder, sometimes, to beat a true patzer who's just making it up as he goes along, than it is to beat somebody who has a fair idea of what he's doing? I mean, some of these opponents who never even heard of "the book" can be pretty tough.>

It's possible. In contract bridge, for instance, an expert player can usually draw certain inferences from the opponents' bidding only when they are fellow experts. When they are weaker players who misuse the bidding system, the inferences are not as reliable.

In chess, there's another factor as well. Adrianne De Groot, author of "Thought and Choice in Chess" did an interesting experiement. He took a group of players of all strengths, and showed them a position something like this:

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Each player looked at the position, then was asked to reconstruct it on another board. There was a clear correlation: the stronger the player, the more accurate the reconstruction.

Then he asked them to look at a position like this:

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With the pieces arranged more or less at random, the Masters were no better than the amateurs at reconstructing the position.

The point was that Masters have a large store of "normal" formations in their head which they can sense and evaluate at a glance. Take them out of these "normal" positions, and it takes a while to readjust. The non-master, with fewer preconceptions, may be able to orient themselves just as quickly.

Now, the fact that they are Masters means they are still more likely than the opponent to figure out what's going on, and since such unusual formations usually have some weaknesses they may win faster as a result. But it's more work, which means accidents can happen.

The trick, of course, is to catch the stronger player off guard without weakening the position too much. I doubt many GMs are familiar with the intricacies of 1.f3, but you probably won't last too long with it anyway.

Jul-26-10  newzild: <Sem: newzild, what would you like better: a game of the day or a dame of the gay?>

A dame would be nice, but the gay part would render her somewhat useless. I guess I'd have to go for the game.

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  kevin86: White seperates the king from the herd and gangs up on him-and old story/indeed older than 1842.

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