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| Aug-21-05 | | John Doe: Oh man, I screwed up the move order. I pushed pawn before moving the bishop... Black can stop the attack by pushing his f pawn. |
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| Aug-21-05 | | jahhaj: <Wyn Evans> I think you're being generous to White. For instance in your first line where's the advantage to White after the simple 22...♘xb2? Black has some surprising resources in this position such as pressure along the g file after ♔h8 and ♖g8. Of course White and Black have lots of alternatives but it's hard to find any substantial advantage to White after 18...♘cxd3. But I think the position is far too complex for even a GM to calculate. I'm not at all surprised the Black didn't play 18...♘cxd3. |
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| Aug-21-05 | | ckr: Bf6+ Check?, is the king on g8 or h8? Was 20.Kh8 rather than Kg8? Nxg7, so strong nothing else deserves consideration - even if I could not follow it all the way to a mate. To me, it was just recognizing the attacking possibilities after the king field was broken down, well worth a knight. |
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| Aug-21-05 | | ckr: King on h8 would explain 25.Kf1 rather than 25.gxh3 allowing the black rook to launch some counter attacking possibilities. |
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| Aug-21-05 | | mark1800: A nice sacrifice, followed up by the exchange sac, opening up various mating lines.
I had seen this game before in the life and games of Mikhail Tal book. Tal comments: "After the game the opinion was expressed that Ravinsky's combination could have been refuted by means of 18...Ncxd3,but I did not agree with this point of view (either because of 19.Bf6 or more likely 19.Qg3)" Tal's attempts to 'follow' this game can be seen in the game Tal vs Pasman 1953. |
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| Aug-21-05 | | dhotts: I think Black has adequate defenses with 18...Bxg5 and if 19.Qxg5 then 19...f6 or Ng6!...What am I missing? |
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| Aug-21-05 | | sharpnova: 18. Nxg7 Ncxd3 and black is maybe ok
i picked Nxg7 before loading the page, but i hesitated due to Ncxd3 |
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| Aug-21-05 | | ckr: <dhotts What am i missing> I don't think the defense holds up. 19...f6 20.Nxe6 fxg5 21.Nxc7 - seems worse for black
19...Ng6 20.Nh4 not - looking good either
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| Aug-21-05 | | kevin86: A long series of moves has led to inescapable mate-and black is left to spite checking. A very refreshing game!! |
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| Aug-21-05 | | sfm: <mark1800: Tal: ...either because of 19.Bf6 or more likely 19.Qg3> OK, it does not sound like Tal put a lot of analysis into it. 19.Qg3 is typical tal - the more hanging pieces the better! Wonder what Mr. Fritz would say to that? |
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| Aug-21-05 | | jahhaj: <sfm> After 18.♘xg7 ♘cxd3 19.♕g3 ♗xg5 20.♕xg5 ♕d8 Fritz doesn't find much for White. 21.♘xe6+ ♕xg5 22.♘xg5 ♘xb2 looks pretty level.
21.♕h6 (the threat of ♘h5 keeps Black's knights tied down) ♔h8 22.cxd3 ♖g8 23.♘xe6 fxe6 and White is possibly worse (watch out for the threat of Rg6 trapping the queen). |
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| Aug-21-05 | | Frankly: Okay. I see someone got tired of all those 'oh, it was so easy - why waste my time?' quips. So he/she posted the monster problem. I think I prefer the ones I have a shot at solving... |
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| Aug-21-05 | | snowie1: Eureka! 18 Bxb5...axb5 19 Nxb5...black moves his Q ? and 20 Nd6! Now, after black's Q moves (again?), 21 Nxg7...Kxg7 22 Nf5+...Kg8 (if Bxf5, 23Qh6+...Kg8...etc) 23 Bf6...now if Bxf6 24 Qxf6...and exf5 heading to help the Q mate. |
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Aug-21-05
 | | Richard Taylor: I ahd all thes ideas butmissed hteincredible 24 e5!! but I was looking for that idea - I looked for an hour and missed it - I thought it might be Nxg7 then was looking at Rf4 then B:b4 and R:f4 and Nd5 or Ne7+ - I wanted that B on d3 to work but couldnt see how - in my lines it kept getting taken - but this was a great combination by Grigory Ivinsky - very beautiful. Had me beat... |
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| Aug-21-05 | | sharpnova: 18. Nxg7 Ncxd3 and black is maybe ok
anyone else agree? aka.. this puzzle is not a white to move and win |
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| Aug-28-05 | | patzer2: White's demolition of pawn structure combination with 18. Nxg7!! sets up an instructive mating attack on Black's weakened castled position. |
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May-09-06
 | | chancho: In the "Life And Games of Mikhail Tal", this game is called "spectacular" by Mikhail Tal, and he also says of it: <"I am unable to resist the temptation to give it in full"> It is a splendid game.
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| Jul-08-06 | | Open Defence: This game was shown on ICC by the bot Mr Spock... very nice :) |
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| Oct-18-09 | | syracrophy: The art of declining the poisoned-apples gifts! |
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| Dec-12-10 | | TheRavenPK: After 26..Bxe2+ 27.Ke1 black has ran out of checks (well, except of Qc3+) and there is no way to prolong this beautiful attack by White. Well done! |
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| Feb-07-17 | | clement41: 22 e5! is such a nice blow, with two different ideas both aimed at mating! |
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| Feb-07-17 | | syracrophy: The b2-♙ was also a key part for the mate on g7! |
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Aug-22-18
 | | Sally Simpson: A nice piece of home prep by Ravinsky who improved on White's play and cooked another commentators notes in
Averbakh vs Bronstein, 1951 Two schools of thought here regarding home brew, but you must give credit to the work and imagination of the pre-computer age players. As Bronstein says in his 'The Modern Chess Self-Tutor', they knew where and when to look. 
click for larger viewThe attack with 18.Nxg7 was anticipated by another commentator who spotted the e4-e5 idea here... 
click for larger view...and their notes knocked it back due to 21...f6 or 21...f5. Ravinsky looked from here, found 21.Bf6! and worked out the attack borrowing the e4-e5 idea to use a move later. Today of course a computer finds moves like 18.Nxg7 and the best reply 18...Nxd3 within a few seconds. Not too sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. If Ravinsky had a computer back in 1952 it would have robbed him of the warm satisfaction of him finding the 21. Bf6 idea. That must have been a Eureka moment. |
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| Mar-14-19 | | SpiritedReposte: Hadn't seen this one. The defense after such a fast attack is impressive. |
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| Apr-04-22 | | parch: Never seen this one, great attack, 18.N:g7!!
21.Bf6! blocking ...f5 then 22.e5!! to finish with
27.Ke1!. |
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sac: 18.Nxg7